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  1. Failed, using default cubemap 'engine/defaultcubemap'
  2. Failed, using default cubemap 'engine/defaultcubemap'
  3. Failed, using default cubemap 'engine/defaultcubemap'
  4. The server is using sv_pure 0. (Enforcing consistency for select files only)
  5. Morning connected.
  6. CAsyncWavDataCache: 72 .wavs total 0 bytes, 0.00 % of capacity
  7. Compact freed 389120 bytes
  8. Redownloading all lightmaps
  9. Morning (STEAM_0:0:9836299) connected from Denmark
  10. Achievements disabled: cheats turned on in this app session.
  11. niyhm fan #2! connected.
  12. niyhm fan #2! (STEAM_0:1:1585653) connected from Australia
  13. Achievements disabled: cheats turned on in this app session.
  14. Achievements disabled: cheats turned on in this app session.
  15. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : heres how i wanted it to be
  16. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : !s 3
  17. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : wasn't watching sry
  18. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that gets u ~6 flat
  19. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but they filtered this hole
  20. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : so u need to go through it
  21. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : to just force the intended route
  22. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : for the stage
  23. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : why
  24. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as u can see that route is much faster
  25. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : idk
  26. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what was the reason
  27. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : none
  28. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ok so what was the reason
  29. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !hide
  30. 78E6FF[Surf Timer] - FFFFFFAll players are now being shown
  31. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : just what people thought was better
  32. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : on prosaic
  33. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : same thing
  34. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ok and you're ok with that?
  35. [KSF Clan] - Do you like the SurfTimer? Help keep this server running by donating at KSFClan.com/donate
  36. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : yes
  37. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : why
  38. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : cause end of the day w.e. people want to play
  39. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is important
  40. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : imo
  41. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : we arent going full retard
  42. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i disagree
  43. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like if someone says
  44. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : turn a t6 map into a t3
  45. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : theyll get laughed off
  46. [Surf Timer] - Australia - surf_lolrevlis (10/30) IP: 108.61.168.31
  47. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i understand therapist
  48. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're nitpicking my analogies again
  49. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt ur argument only really important
  50. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if ppl start doing really stupid shit
  51. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or are u that against it
  52. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh, like fixing prosaic s4 sc
  53. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a genuine expression of surf
  54. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a part of surf canon
  55. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : deleted
  56. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for the pleasure of a slobbering mongoloid like habitat
  57. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : a part that almost no one misses though
  58. [KSF Clan] - Need a place to chat? Join teamspeak.ksfclan.com and ask for a free channel!
  59. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i
  60. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : don't
  61. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : giver
  62. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : trofle has prob spent like 4 hrs trying that wrcp
  63. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a
  64. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : shit
  65. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as well
  66. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : my god
  67. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : express ur argument better then if u really think i dont understand it
  68. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : clearly u understand mine
  69. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i do think you understand it actually
  70. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm being hyperbolic
  71. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : then why are u so offended that i dont agree with it
  72. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to point out that i don't think your counterargument has any weight
  73. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : put it this way
  74. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because therapist
  75. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if the majority of ppl
  76. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : agreed with u
  77. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : id have no issue
  78. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with ur method being the one used
  79. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're damaging something that you seemingly don't have any stake in
  80. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're lessening the value
  81. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i just want the server to be as good
  82. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i know this is hard
  83. [KSF Clan] - We need donations to help keep this server running! KSFClan.com/donate
  84. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as possible
  85. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for you to empathize with
  86. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but this is a real concern for me
  87. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : prosaic sc had value
  88. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and you deleted it
  89. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for POOR reasons
  90. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's a matter of principle
  91. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : not real world example
  92. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : of course no one gives a shit including me
  93. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : why do u think its justified to place literally 0 value
  94. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but you're still supporting a bad practice
  95. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : on what people actually want to play
  96. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ..................................................................
  97. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt that the crux of this?
  98. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : not for me, no
  99. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think the votes are the most important thing
  100. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : you think they matter not at all
  101. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause i couldn't give less of a shit
  102. [Surf Timer] - Public - surf_exocube (13/60) IP: 70.42.74.194
  103. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in this context
  104. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the votes are great tool
  105. [KSF Clan] - Current Map: surf_liberation2
  106. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for deciding on things that have no objective.... whatever
  107. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : benchmarks
  108. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if there are multiple solutions and it's subjective which is chosen
  109. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you do a vote
  110. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well
  111. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if one solution is based on arbitrary garbage
  112. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : when we do the vote
  113. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and another is literally just leaving somehting alone
  114. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it should be a nobrainer
  115. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what to do
  116. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : technically your entire argument is considered
  117. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and a vote shouldn't even be remotyly considered
  118. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and the people voting to remove
  119. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : dont place value on it
  120. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : lmfao do you not read
  121. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what i lterrally just typed out
  122. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : who decides
  123. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what they place value on
  124. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : to vote or not have a vote
  125. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : then
  126. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is a bag of trash
  127. [KSF Clan] - Wanna join the KSF Clan? Apply at KSFClan.com/forums
  128. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ?!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!
  129. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : who decides
  130. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : subjective = vote
  131. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : objective = no vote
  132. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : fk im actually sitting here unable to express this
  133. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : how fucking hard
  134. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is it to understand
  135. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : this is what i'm saying man
  136. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you didn't base your shit on feeling and unfounded whims
  137. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you wouldn't need to bother yourself with what to do
  138. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its no longer based on feelings
  139. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : there is no dilemma
  140. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : when u do a vote
  141. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : just do the objectively correct thing
  142. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as far as im concerned
  143. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its no arbitrary decision made by one person
  144. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : isn't that the opposite of your previous argument?
  145. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no?
  146. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's based on feeling and they wren't feeling mine
  147. [KSF Clan] - Type !donate in chat if you wish to make a donation.
  148. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : was the gist
  149. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats the crux of my argument
  150. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that the people decide
  151. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : themselves
  152. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : every single person
  153. [Surf Timer] - Expert - surf_jenocide (8/60) IP: 70.42.74.194
  154. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : has their own feelings yes
  155. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : when they vote
  156. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but the end decision
  157. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : we will never agree
  158. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : of the aggregate isnt based on feelings
  159. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because you don't see the problem
  160. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : because its a vote
  161. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in culling real surf
  162. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you are fine with deleting a legitimate thing
  163. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're fine with dumbing down soemthing i see value in
  164. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for your own amusement
  165. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no
  166. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its u
  167. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats not fine
  168. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with what majority of other ppl want
  169. [KSF Clan] - All members please participate on our forums.
  170. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : right you can put it thtat way as well
  171. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but the majority of people
  172. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : would make some questionable decisions i can almost guarantee
  173. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if it isn't straight forward
  174. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : he doesnt ask people
  175. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : who have no idea about what is being asked
  176. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i could ask every surfer i know
  177. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its people who have say a top10 or a top time on the stage in question
  178. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what do you enjoy more
  179. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : s4 prosaic no sc or sc
  180. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and 99% would say no sc
  181. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but that doesn't mean it should be ruined forever
  182. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : why not?
  183. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if 99% of people are going to enjoy it more guaranteed
  184. [KSF Clan] - We need donations to keep this server running! Enter !donate
  185. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because it's part of what surf is oh my god
  186. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's literally ONLY becuase it's not straight forward
  187. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if i asked the same people if they were fine with surf_me b3 skip they'd say yes
  188. [SM] Voting for next map has started.
  189. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because in that case it's obvious
  190. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that it should stay
  191. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they don't need ot think
  192. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ok
  193. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : dont u think
  194. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : a vote
  195. [SM] The current map has been extended. (Received 100% of 1 votes)
  196. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : removes the subjectiveness of it
  197. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like its not 1 person deciding
  198. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : oh this is stupid it has to go
  199. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no, have you lost your fucking marbles?
  200. [Surf Timer] - Veteran - surf_vegetables (8/40) IP: 70.42.74.194
  201. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : oh i like this so it can stay
  202. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if its majority vote for EACH thing
  203. [KSF Clan] - Add this server to your favorites! It is located at surf.ksfclan.com
  204. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : then i dont think its an issue
  205. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : do you understand that it's manipulation
  206. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i talked to kusche
  207. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : his reaction was wtf that's so gay remove it
  208. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i talked to him 2 minutes
  209. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and without even fucking telling him my argument
  210. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : he made it himself
  211. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i might even still have the chatlog
  212. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : should it even need much of an argument?
  213. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : honestly
  214. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : why cant people jsut make their own unbiased decisions
  215. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and the aggregate of them gets used
  216. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : oh i have 2 lines of it
  217. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : rest was cut off
  218. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : 10:02 - Kusché: some even enjoy10:02 - Kusché: those gay scs
  219. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : have u ever read about wisdom of the crowd?
  220. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
  221. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think its a little bit related
  222. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : although im not sure how much stock
  223. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i actually put into that
  224. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : soundsl ike somehting that applies to complicated matters
  225. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : nah
  226. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : not solved matters
  227. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : really simple
  228. [KSF Clan] - Visit our expert only server at: expert.ksfclan.com
  229. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ill link u the wiki on it i think ull like to have a skim of it
  230. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ok i'm gonna go after this
  231. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but i'm gonna restate this
  232. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you have 2 sides of an argument
  233. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and there can be no objectively better choice immediately
  234. [KSF Clan] - Join the KSF Community by entering !community
  235. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : then you can go to a vote
  236. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and it will be amazing
  237. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause in a subjective setting
  238. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you can just please the most people
  239. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but if you have a situation
  240. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : hwere one side is objectively right
  241. [Surf Timer] - Europe - surf_treefort (28/40) IP: 31.186.251.135
  242. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but the other side is much more fun
  243. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you put it to a vote
  244. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !scout
  245. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the WRONG thing
  246. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is gonna win
  247. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : give an example
  248. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you made a vote to end all taxes
  249. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ending all taxes would win
  250. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and the state would be fucked
  251. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and the fucking country would burn to the ground
  252. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well thats an unfair example
  253. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's hyperbole
  254. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : cause ur giving only one side of it
  255. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yhou know what i mean
  256. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : yea
  257. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : give an example in surf though
  258. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i only have one
  259. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : arguable two
  260. [KSF Clan] - New to surfing? Type !surf for a tutorial on how to surf.
  261. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : now that you showed me this
  262. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : although i don't hvae all the information
  263. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : so yeah
  264. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i only have one
  265. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : fucking prosaic
  266. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : sc
  267. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : one side is objectively right
  268. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the map is made in a way
  269. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that allows for agay sc
  270. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that sc isnt intended
  271. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ?????
  272. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : dont even pretend
  273. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : almost no sc in old maps
  274. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : tetra placed that gap
  275. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is intented
  276. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're missing the point my a fucking mile
  277. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you think i give a shit what the mapper intented
  278. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the map exists
  279. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in a way
  280. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : can i ask u something else
  281. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : another hypothetical
  282. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : what if there was a map
  283. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and it was just fucking AWFUL
  284. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like it was so bad
  285. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u wouldnt even consider adding it to ksf
  286. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one would ever play it
  287. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but you could change one thing
  288. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : similar to prosaic in scale
  289. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and it would become awesome
  290. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : everyone would love it
  291. [KSF Clan] - Type !info for a complete list of surftimer commands.
  292. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : it would be the new sandman
  293. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : would you just not add the map
  294. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and not get that
  295. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or would you implement the change and add it
  296. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : now you're being unfair
  297. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt it similar?
  298. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because that's not what prosaic sc is
  299. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
  300. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but in that example i would for sure
  301. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well i mean
  302. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : suggest
  303. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to just fix the gay thing
  304. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and have it added
  305. noclip ON
  306. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : you could say the map would be added as an awful map
  307. [SM] Voting for next map has started.
  308. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : like any sane person
  309. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : surf_y tier
  310. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : of course
  311. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and no one played it
  312. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or
  313. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : you could improve it
  314. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : to sandman tier
  315. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with the change
  316. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes, therapist
  317. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i would improve it
  318. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but that changes nothing
  319. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : doesnt that contradict ur argument
  320. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
  321. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont understand
  322. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause that's not
  323. [Surf Timer] - Australia - surf_lolrevlis (9/30) IP: 108.61.168.31
  324. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : hwat prosaic sc is
  325. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : not for the whole map
  326. [Surf Timer] - 2 minutes remaining
  327. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : sure
  328. [KSF Clan] - Visit our combat server at combat.ksfclan.com
  329. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but for the stage
  330. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if prosaic was being considered for adding
  331. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and we knew about the sc
  332. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : fuck no
  333. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : would i change it
  334. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : sc route would be one of the bottom 5 stages on server
  335. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i would say lmao this is sc is so gay
  336. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but as it stands its like top 10%
  337. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if not top 5%
  338. [Surf Timer] - 1 minute remaining
  339. [SM] niyhm fan #2!: Initiated a vote.
  340. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : let's just stop
  341. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you refuse to see my point
  342. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you arguments are manipulative and self serving
  343. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm fucking tired
  344. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ..........
  345. [Surf Timer] - 30 seconds remaining
  346. [ combat.ksfclan.com
  347. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but for the stage
  348. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if prosaic was being considered for adding
  349. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and we knew about the sc
  350. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : fuck no
  351. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : would i change it
  352. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : sc route would be one of the bottom 5 stages on server
  353. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i would say lmao this is sc is so gay
  354. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but as it stands its like top 10%
  355. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if not top 5%
  356. [Surf Timer] - 1 minute remaining
  357. [SM] niyhm fan #2!: Initiated a vote.
  358. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : let's just stop
  359. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you refuse to see my point
  360. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you arguments are manipulative and self serving
  361. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm fucking tired
  362. [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ..........
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  383. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i concede i'm terrible at arguing my point
  384. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm arrogant
  385. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and i use way too much heated language
  386. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but i really do think you're incapable of empathizing here
  387. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : idk
  388. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you just don'
  389. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : don't care
  390. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : about what i care about
  391. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and that makes this marring ok
  392. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to you
  393. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but
  394. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : nad that just makes it impossible
  395. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : even if i agreed with u
  396. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if everyone else disagreed with us
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  398. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : would that make them wrong?
  399. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no, and that's not waht i meant
  400. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what i meant is that the way you represent my argument of course people aren't gonna agree with me
  401. [Surf Timer] - Public - surf_spaceship_ksf (15/60) IP: 70.42.74.194
  402. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but if they actually had the information
  403. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i can almost guarantee
  404. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you and hab
  405. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : are p much alone
  406. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont understand how im misrepresenting your argument
  407. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : outside of a few exaggerated jokes
  408. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're saying a majority agrees with you and that affirms your side of the argument
  409. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm saying they're agreeing with a superficial idea
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  411. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but in reality they are reasonable people
  412. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and will eventually reach the same conclusion as me
  413. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if given any motivation to think
  414. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : about it
  415. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no
  416. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well
  417. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i mean
  418. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i was never even asked about prosaic s4
  419. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes i know
  420. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : they came to a unanimous decision about that
  421. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : how about when hab says
  422. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : without anyone needing to be swayed
  423. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ur acting as if we have swayed them away from reasonableness
  424. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : he made "damn sure" sacred didn't fix pox tleehop
  425. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with our argument
  426. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : does that not indicate in any way
  427. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats just how hab talks
  428. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that he had too much influence?
  429. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one even argued
  430. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : for pox telehop removal
  431. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : aussurf removed it
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  433. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and the map is utter trash
  434. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : without it
  435. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes, and the telehop is consistent as well
  436. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u have to surf below the white lines on the bottom of the ramps
  437. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but u cant see the bottom of ramp wel
  438. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i agree not to remove it
  439. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i already wentover how
  440. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : not trying to be argumentative here
  441. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but that brings up an interesting point
  442. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when presented with and enjoyable bad decision and an unpleasant good decision
  443. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : how do u decide what telehops to keep
  444. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : people will always choose the enjoyable one
  445. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : there are plenty of removed consistent ones
  446. [Surf Timer] - Expert - surf_jenocide (10/60) IP: 70.42.74.194
  447. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont think thats true
  448. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : telehops are just like bhops
  449. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one would vote for a nightmare bonus change
  450. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's subjective
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  452. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause the only metric you CAN use when the telehop is consistent
  453. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is how big of an impact the tediousness of it has
  454. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a tedium meter
  455. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you will
  456. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and that's subjective
  457. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt that also subjective
  458. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ie. vote
  459. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes
  460. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : vote
  461. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ya fucking ape
  462. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt prosaic tedious then
  463. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no it's an sc
  464. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for christ
  465. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : hmm
  466. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ok
  467. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : short cut
  468. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's why me and mike were saying
  469. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : should me b3 skip be removed?
  470. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if i had to do that it would take me 30 hours
  471. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is that not tedious?
  472. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
  473. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's a fucking sc
  474. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's why people surf
  475. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to do hard shit
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  477. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think ur overestimating how people would vote
  478. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : wether it be doing it fast
  479. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like
  480. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : or doing something had
  481. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : hard
  482. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one would vote for nightmare bonus to be changed
  483. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or any hard thing to be made easier
  484. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : even if they cant do them
  485. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well some ppl prob woul
  486. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but definitely not a majority
  487. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes and i wnet over thta as well man
  488. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : becuase it's easy to think about
  489. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when you think about prosaic it's abstract
  490. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause the gap is so narrow that it FEELS
  491. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : inconsistent
  492. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when really it's skill based
  493. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : say a guy attempted it one billion times
  494. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and it was statistically inconsistent
  495. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it would still be theoretically consistant
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  497. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's why it's a matter of principle
  498. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but people arent voting on that basis
  499. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : liberation2 s3
  500. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes
  501. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
  502. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is easy my way too
  503. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they aren't
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  505. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but they voted against it
  506. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its easier my way, in fact
  507. [Surf Timer] - Veteran - surf_me (10/40) IP: 70.42.74.194
  508. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and that's why you keep objective decisions FAR away from the stupid people who would participate
  509. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in a vote
  510. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and whe ni say stupid people it's just heated language
  511. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i mean just normal people
  512. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !scout
  513. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : who can't be expected to know every detail
  514. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and to think through every nuance
  515. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you have to see how this is playing out man
  516. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well
  517. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i trust that you do
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  519. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you can't really back your shit up
  520. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : im going to say 2 things
  521. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that doesn't mean you're wrong
  522. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're just basing your side on something else
  523. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : 1 is that we do that by only asking people who are connected to it to mitigate that
  524. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : like everyman logic
  525. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i can totally see where youy're coming from
  526. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ie. people who know about whats being asked
  527. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and i'm not actually calling you retarded
  528. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : just please
  529. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and 2. is that our argument keeps returning to the value we place on the collective decision
  530. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : nah that's just your argument m8
  531. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats where we differ
  532. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : my argument is that it's should not come to a collective decision
  533. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause there is no chouce
  534. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : choice
  535. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : there is the status quo
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  537. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but in effect you're saying what they want isnt important
  538. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and whati m saying is that its the only thing thats important
  539. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : or an invasion of the integrity
  540. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : of ksf
  541. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the thing is we both agree on your side
  542. [SM] Voting for next map has started.
  543. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : how can we both agree
  544. [SM] The current map has been extended. (Received 100% of 1 votes)
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  551. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : just because u dont have a vote doesnt mean those people dont have opinions
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  553. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : we both agree on everything as long as it's confined to engine level inconsistencies and similar situations
  554. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's just that prosaic sc extended further than that
  555. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and you don't care
  556. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in my mind it crossed a very sharp well defined boundary
  557. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : tbh
  558. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that should never be crossed
  559. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont even have problems
  560. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : lest you fukcing ruin the server
  561. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with a lot of things that are removed
  562. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats why imo the collective decision should be what matters
  563. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : just because i dont really have issues with some things
  564. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh whatevs
  565. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : doesnt mean it should stay
  566. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : look at this
  567. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm sure you could find a group that would vote out prestrafing
  568. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : !map surf_gurus
  569. [SM] niyhm fan #2!: Changing map to surf_gurus...
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  579. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : !replay
  580. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : this sc
  581. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is utterly retarded
  582. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : waht
  583. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u need to be low ping
  584. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : s7?
  585. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ye
  586. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and it only even works on the left side (unless sacred removed tele on the right)
  587. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh ping issues present a dilemma
  588. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's also why i'm ok with nobhop as a solution
  589. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : the mapper himself clearly didnt want it in
  590. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : imo it should be long gone
  591. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but it was voted to stay
  592. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : imo it should stay but it's borderline
  593. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : even tho eclipse is removed
  594. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because of the latency factor
  595. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : so we could put it to a vote
  596. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : m8
  597. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if u look at it objectively
  598. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt eclipse
  599. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause it's opinion based
  600. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : subjective
  601. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : less borderline than this?
  602. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no boost
  603. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : same thing, dodging a trigger
  604. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes of course
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  606. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the boost is inconsistent
  607. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : physically going past a thing
  608. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : so youd be ok with this staying while eclipse is removed?
  609. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : isn't engine level inconsistent
  610. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : absolutely
  611. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like even the bot can barely do this
  612. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but my opnion
  613. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in this matter
  614. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : doesn't matter
  615. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !scout
  616. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the majority opinion does
  617. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : casuse it's subjective m88888888888888888
  618. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : please stop
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  620. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : aight
  621. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i've explained it literally 20 times
  622. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : nice these console logs will make good notes for my essay
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  627. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : rofl
  628. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : make ksf great again
  629. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i mean i still disagree with u
  630. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i still think our argument boils down to value of collective opinion
  631. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i don't
  632. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : btw werent u part of the
  633. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : remove maxvel
  634. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : group
  635. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i think that's throwing my argument in the trash
  636. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but wahtever
  637. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm not gonna go through it again
  638. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : were u part of qrs
  639. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and i can't say you don't understant
  640. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : remove maxvel group
  641. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause you throw hissy fits
  642. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and call me arrogant
  643. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i give up
  644. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
  645. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ah
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  647. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i don't think i was even around
  648. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : could have sworn you were
  649. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i never even heard of it
  650. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : sounds gay
  651. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think you were on the list
  652. GrayBomb connected.
  653. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : sounds like clssic qr
  654. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : he's like you but a million times worse
  655. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no logic can sway him
  656. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when he cements an opinion
  657. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : what do you think is the crux of our disagreement
  658. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's literally unbearable
  659. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if its not what i think it is
  660. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : this is the essay part
  661. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's nuanced
  662. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i can't just say it
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  665. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the crux lies somewhere within the fact that you think salient sc is in the same realm as a bhop
  666. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in my mind
  667. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont
  668. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they're separate
  669. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think its stupid as fuck
  670. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u mean that bhop i shwoed u?
  671. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : stop
  672. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : oh did u just mean prosaic
  673. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u said salient
  674. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : oh
  675. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeah sorry
  676. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm fukcing tires
  677. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : d
  678. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : lol
  679. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : im pretty sure i know the answer to this
  680. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you understood my objective vs subjective spiel
  681. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's basically it
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  683. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : votes and collective opinion are great tools
  684. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but you dont think that if the majority of the server understood both arguments
  685. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but they should only be applied where there is a problem
  686. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and voted my way
  687. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you fixed something that wasn't broke
  688. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : it would be relevant
  689. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is what i'm saying
  690. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !hide
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  692. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : youd still see your way as correct
  693. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : omg how have i not thought of that idiom until now
  694. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes i would
  695. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but i believe firmly
  696. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that if the majority of the server understood both arguments
  697. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they wuold overwhelmingly agree with me
  698. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : lol
  699. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because my side is based on reason
  700. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well i think literally the opposite
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  703. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and yours on emotion
  704. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but i guess that is the crux of it then
  705. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : emotion is removed when the result is based off a vote
  706. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : at that point its a raw statistic
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  708. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that statement fucks my face like a fucking drill mounted dildo
  709. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : the votes arent phrased in any way the encourages bias
  710. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you think people are objective?
  711. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ?
  712. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : do u actually not think
  713. [Surf Timer] - SurfTimer Bot has finished surfing!
  714. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that the end vote
  715. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : of a lot of subjective decisions
  716. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is not an objective one
  717. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : let's go back to my slightly manipulative tax removal vote analogy
  718. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you REALLY thing
  719. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats basic statistics
  720. [Surf Timer] - Expert - surf_jenocide (11/60) IP: 70.42.74.194
  721. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that people would vote against paying no tax?
  722. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you just threw the vote at them out of nowhere?
  723. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if people understood the argument fully? as in our example here?
  724. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no ffs
  725. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if they understood
  726. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they would keep the tax
  727. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's muy fucking piont
  728. [KSF Clan] - All members please participate on our forums.
  729. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i just feel like when people vote
  730. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : wtf is the map called
  731. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : witht the sc
  732. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : theyre subconsciously expressing the value they place on both arguments
  733. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : prosaic
  734. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : prosaic sc is the tax
  735. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the fix is just bandaid
  736. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : removing the tax
  737. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : humans have had taxes for over a thousand years
  738. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : destructive but it feels good
  739. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : people didnt need to be educated to know taxes were good
  740. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh epic
  741. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : wisdom of the crowd mate
  742. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : back to nitpickville
  743. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no
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  750. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : the collective comes to the correct decision
  751. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : m8
  752. *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats what i believe
  753. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the collective sucks my fat hairy penis
  754. *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : good bye
  755. *
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  757.  
  758. STEAM CONVO
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  762. 13:04 - niyhm fan #2!: m8
  763. 13:04 - niyhm fan #2!: im takin the other side
  764. 13:04 - niyhm fan #2!: lets get some unvarnished
  765. 13:05 - niyhm fan #2!: opinions
  766. 13:05 - Morning: i don't care
  767. 13:05 - Morning: any non idiot is gonna take my side
  768. 13:05 - Morning: no way you're gonna accurately represent my side
  769. 13:05 - niyhm fan #2!: i just expressed it in the context of stay vs not stay
  770. 13:07 - Morning: i was considering making a video about it
  771. 13:07 - Morning: i can crush your arguments to ash
  772. 13:07 - niyhm fan #2!: ur whole argument is just so ARROGANT
  773. 13:07 - Morning: ?
  774. 13:07 - Morning: i don't understand
  775. 13:07 - niyhm fan #2!: 9:05 PM - Morning: any non idiot is gonna take my side
  776. 13:07 - niyhm fan #2!: that
  777. 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: uve said that a bunch
  778. 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: and its jsut so arrogant
  779. 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: cause vast majority want those scs gone
  780. 13:08 - Morning: have i not said a million times
  781. 13:08 - Morning: that i dopn't care
  782. 13:08 - Morning: what people want
  783. 13:08 - Morning: even hwat i want
  784. 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: so ur basically saying the minorities opinion should be the only one that counts
  785. 13:08 - Morning: have i not stated this enough
  786. 13:08 - Morning: that you can stop pestering me with it
  787. 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: thats arrogant as fk
  788. 13:08 - Morning: no
  789. 13:09 - niyhm fan #2!: "im right or ur an idiot"
  790. 13:09 - niyhm fan #2!: ill try to not bring it up m8
  791. 13:09 - niyhm fan #2!: no promises if i get a fresh opening though..
  792. 13:09 - Morning: i need to plan what i need to say
  793. 13:10 - Morning: i can't actually refute that without writing a fucking 2 page essay
  794. 13:10 - niyhm fan #2!: im pretty sure i fully agree with ur point about having clear rules and stuff
  795. 13:10 - Morning: take your argument of you don't want arbitrary rules
  796. 13:10 - niyhm fan #2!: but its not practically possible
  797. 13:10 - Morning: to govern what gets fixed
  798. 13:10 - Morning: my argument ment is EXACTLY that
  799. 13:10 - Morning: i don't want arbitrary shit
  800. 13:10 - Morning: i want sound reasoning
  801. 13:10 - Morning: to be the motivator for fixes
  802. 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: at least not in a way that doesnt just make a lot of shit really boring to play
  803. 13:11 - Morning: a fun-meter
  804. 13:11 - Morning: decided by god knows who
  805. 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: its not a fun-meter though
  806. 13:11 - Morning: is the only arbitrary rule
  807. 13:11 - Morning: anyone is proposing
  808. 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: like u have no idea how many things ive opposed
  809. 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: but he asks everyone
  810. 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: and goes with the majority
  811. 13:11 - Morning: if you were to think about it my way
  812. 13:11 - Morning: you wouldn't EVER
  813. 13:11 - Morning: have to think ofr a fucking millisecond
  814. 13:11 - Morning: wether something needs fixing or not
  815. 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: yea
  816. 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: but whats the result?
  817. 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: we have s4 sc on prosaic
  818. 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: and NO ONE plays the stage
  819. 13:12 - Morning: the result is all the gay shit fixed and we don't dumb down the only fucking surf server worth shit
  820. 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: that wrcp has been battled at least like 5 rotations by multiple ppl
  821. 13:12 - Morning: ur a spec shitter you clearly have no idea what i mean by that
  822. 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: if sc stays no one does that
  823. 13:12 - Morning: ???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+
  824. 13:13 - Morning: does 10000 people battle nm bonus?
  825. 13:13 - Morning: no
  826. 13:13 - Morning: crash fort grinds it
  827. 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: skyline
  828. 13:13 - Morning: that's what nm bonus is
  829. 13:13 - Morning: yeh
  830. 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: skyline
  831. 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: soap
  832. 13:13 - Morning: like 10 people
  833. 13:13 - Morning: knows
  834. 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: yeh
  835. 13:13 - Morning: how to do that shit
  836. 13:13 - Morning: consistently
  837. 13:13 - Morning: does that mean it needs to be FIXED?
  838. 13:13 - Morning: yes no
  839. 13:13 - Morning: immediatelly
  840. 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: no
  841. 13:13 - Morning: ok
  842. 13:13 - Morning: tyhen why prosaic s4
  843. 13:13 - Morning: sound reasoning
  844. 13:13 - Morning: no bs
  845. 13:13 - Morning: PLEASE
  846. 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: in both cases
  847. 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: i would just say majority of what good surfers want
  848. 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: 90+% of surfers would say leave nm bonus as is
  849. 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: and same for remove prosaic sc
  850. 13:14 - Morning: do you realize that you're str8 up lying
  851. 13:14 - Morning: cause if you just ask an idiot
  852. 13:14 - Morning: do you like prosaic s4 sc?
  853. 13:14 - Morning: he's gonna say no
  854. 13:14 - Morning: that doesn't mean that he actually wants it removed
  855. 13:15 - Morning: he doesn't understand
  856. 13:15 - Morning: what that entails
  857. 13:15 - niyhm fan #2!: no sacred literally asks
  858. 13:15 - Morning: just like you don't
  859. 13:15 - Morning: and hab doesn't
  860. 13:15 - niyhm fan #2!: should it stay or be removed
  861. 13:15 - Morning: yes and fuckers who can't handle abstract thoughts
  862. 13:15 - Morning: like habitat
  863. 13:15 - Morning: spurts their retardation
  864. 13:15 - Morning: and he acts on it
  865. 13:15 - Morning: because hab is good
  866. 13:16 - niyhm fan #2!: but why should it stay if almost no one wants it
  867. 13:16 - Morning: because
  868. 13:16 - Morning: it's fucking surf
  869. 13:16 - niyhm fan #2!: like yeah its how the map is
  870. 13:16 - Morning: it's not your personal fun barn
  871. 13:16 - niyhm fan #2!: but no1s going to play it anyway
  872. 13:16 - Morning: to have your fun and be delighted
  873. 13:16 - Morning: it's competetive surfing
  874. 13:17 - Morning: do you understand why a person sees value in a wr
  875. 13:17 - Morning: why theres a feeling of accomplishment
  876. 13:17 - Morning: why is that invalid
  877. 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: do u understand why despite all the map changes
  878. 13:17 - Morning: because you don't think it's "fun"
  879. 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: people still see ksf wrs as the ones that matter
  880. 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: compared to random csgo servers with telehops and shit?
  881. 13:17 - Morning: yes
  882. 13:17 - Morning: because shit got done
  883. 13:17 - Morning: i get it therapist
  884. 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: those are the natural way the maps are
  885. 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: it doesnt matter what the changes are
  886. 13:17 - Morning: but there's a crystal clear distinction
  887. 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: ppl see a good wr as jsut as valuable
  888. 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: in fact ppl respect a solid as FUCK wrcp like prosaic 4 is now
  889. 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: much more than a wrcp where only 3 ppl did the route
  890. 13:18 - Morning: the root of this problem is that you don't give a fuck about the exact thing
  891. 13:18 - Morning: that i care about
  892. 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: and no one did it good but no1 can be fucked pulping it out
  893. 13:18 - Morning: you ridicule my integrity argument
  894. 13:18 - Morning: event hough it's my main motivator
  895. 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: i dont ridicule it
  896. 13:18 - Morning: in this argument
  897. 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: i just dont see why the result
  898. 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: is more valuable
  899. 13:18 - Morning: i can't deal with that
  900. 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: than the result of more people wanting to play it
  901. 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: and i ridicule the fact that u just straight up say "because i think so and anyone who doesnt think so is an idiot"
  902. 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: both arguments are valid
  903. 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: imo
  904. 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: logically both arguments have sound reasoning
  905. 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: imo
  906. 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: so it should just be what system majority of people want
  907. 13:20 - Morning: that's not exactly what i was referring to
  908. 13:20 - Morning: when i was talking about sound reasoning
  909. 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: yeh
  910. 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: u got hung up
  911. 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: on the fun-o-meter
  912. 13:20 - Morning: i was referring to a scenario where someone was approaching someone like sacred
  913. 13:21 - Morning: with a suggestion for a change
  914. 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: but its not like we quantify fun or something
  915. 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: we vote
  916. 13:21 - Morning: they should be able to give a simple and clear reason
  917. 13:21 - Morning: not arbirtrary shit
  918. 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: did u see the liberation2 changes?
  919. 13:21 - Morning: a vote where people don't have all the information
  920. 13:21 - Morning: nop
  921. 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: i disagreed with s3 and s7 on that
  922. 13:21 - Morning: i will bet you so much money
  923. 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: the other ppl voted them in
  924. 13:21 - Morning: that those examples are just as shit as presmon
  925. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: and i have no issues with that
  926. 13:22 - Morning: just as trivial
  927. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: ?
  928. 13:22 - Morning: and completely unrelated
  929. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: s7
  930. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: ill link u
  931. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6otHpztYRm4
  932. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: look at stage 7
  933. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: in that vid
  934. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: not the telehop
  935. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: the bhop
  936. 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: no matter who u are
  937. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: that bhop is much more consistent
  938. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: than surfing that ramp
  939. 13:23 - Morning: please i'm gonna fuckin gdie
  940. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: NO ONE can surf that ramp consistently well
  941. 13:23 - Morning: therapist
  942. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: ?
  943. 13:23 - Morning: a bhop
  944. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: look at it
  945. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: its a flat bhop
  946. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: with autobhop
  947. 13:23 - Morning: is inconsistent at an ENGINE level
  948. 13:23 - Morning: you fucking ape
  949. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: ?
  950. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: autobhop
  951. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: it had auto bhop on it
  952. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: its a flat bhop
  953. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: thats consistent
  954. 13:23 - Morning: there are two ways
  955. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: it wasnt removed
  956. 13:23 - Morning: to fix a bhop
  957. 13:23 - Morning: auto
  958. 13:23 - Morning: or nobhop
  959. 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: on the basis of consistency
  960. 13:23 - Morning: either is fine
  961. 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: it already had auto
  962. 13:24 - Morning: vote in that case is completely warranted
  963. 13:24 - Morning: and is the optimal solution
  964. 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: it already had auto
  965. 13:24 - Morning: this is just as trah
  966. 13:24 - Morning: trash
  967. 13:24 - Morning: as presmon
  968. 13:24 - Morning: completely different
  969. 13:24 - Morning: scenario
  970. 13:24 - Morning: and you're just proving
  971. 13:24 - Morning: that you have 0 understanding
  972. 13:24 - Morning: of what i'm actually saying
  973. 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: no i just cant think
  974. 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: of another example
  975. 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: where ive disagreed
  976. 13:25 - Morning: right it's singular
  977. 13:25 - Morning: as far as i can see prosaic s4 is singular
  978. 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: no way
  979. 13:25 - Morning: but it's indicative
  980. 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: lemme look at !changes
  981. 13:25 - Morning: obv
  982. 13:25 - Morning: ok therapist obv it's not gonna be singular in ur head if you think a fuckin gbhop sc
  983. 13:25 - Morning: is equal
  984. 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: ill try find
  985. 13:25 - Morning: please do
  986. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: somethign that isnt a bhop sc
  987. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: oh
  988. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: liberation2
  989. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: s3
  990. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: works
  991. 13:26 - Morning: i will be just as mad
  992. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: not the bhop route
  993. 13:26 - Morning: if you actually find real examples
  994. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2! is now playing Counter-Strike: Source. Click here to join.
  995. 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: come
  996. 13:46 - niyhm fan #2!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd
  997. 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: the classic example there is pretty damn amazing
  998. 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: nto sure how well it applies to surf here
  999. 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: i learnt of this long after we made all these changes
  1000. 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: but i find it somewhat relevant
  1001. 14:34 - Morning: we spent another 2 hours
  1002. 14:34 - Morning: maybe not
  1003. 14:34 - niyhm fan #2!: jesus
  1004. 14:34 - niyhm fan #2!: an hour and a half
  1005. 14:34 - Morning: maybelike 90 min
  1006. 14:34 - Morning: yeh
  1007. 14:34 - Morning: epic
  1008. 14:35 - Morning: i save the logs
  1009. 14:35 - Morning: they will be so fucking funny
  1010. 14:35 - Morning: in a year
  1011. 14:35 - niyhm fan #2!: lol
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