[02.01.2014 02:32:54] Xxx 'nubis: yo, next time something like unmodding someone happens do talk to them beforehand. aelc dropped socks modmail post (which is fine) but wasnt really able to show me the "constant fighting" i've been involved in.
[02.01.2014 02:33:29] Xxx 'nubis:
[Mittwoch, 1. Januar 2014 22:45] Alecyte:

<<< I understand, but it was a repetitive thing. DM, Tribes, ect.
[02.01.2014 02:33:33] Xxx 'nubis: what's the "etc."
[02.01.2014 02:33:37] Xxx 'nubis: if i may ask
[02.01.2014 21:32:01] Xxx 'nubis: i see your reasons were plenty if you can't even answer the most basic question about the decision
[02.01.2014 21:32:33] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: That message you sent earlier comes through now, apologies
[02.01.2014 21:33:22] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: As far as I am aware, Alecyte messaged you on beforehand with reasons. He might've been too succint, I am not really sure
[02.01.2014 21:33:59] Xxx 'nubis: he didnt really tell me anything other than socks modmail post and some very vague things that didnt mean all that much
[02.01.2014 21:34:10] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: Okay, I will try to fill in then
[02.01.2014 21:34:54] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: Basically, there were a few reasons, and Sock's hinted at them several times. I'm talking about the agressively toned stuff both in the modmail and in the skype chat
[02.01.2014 21:35:27] Xxx 'nubis: please do be prepared for a lenghty response from me now just for that one sentence
[02.01.2014 21:35:33] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: A bit of frustration is certainly understandable, but it got to a point where it was mostly negative stuff you seemed to talk about, in our perspective
[02.01.2014 21:36:43] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: Just to reiterate, it's nothing personal, you're a cool dude, and I'm fine with playing scrims or whatever it is - we just were in search of someone who could be as neutral as possible
[02.01.2014 21:37:27] Xxx 'nubis: k here i go now
[02.01.2014 21:37:50] Xxx 'nubis: the big problem i have with you giving me the reason i wasnt moderating neutrally is mute
[02.01.2014 21:37:52] Xxx 'nubis: alec wrote me this
[02.01.2014 21:38:00] Xxx 'nubis: [Mittwoch, 1. Januar 2014 22:45] Alecyte:

<<< As a mod, our job is to be neutral as possible. When you A) Let your emotions get the best of you, and B) Incite arguements for pretty much no reason, that is not exactly neutral modding.
[02.01.2014 21:38:15] Xxx 'nubis: i NEVER took any moderative action when it was clear i shouldnt
[02.01.2014 21:38:21] Xxx 'nubis: that points relatively mute
[02.01.2014 21:38:32] Xxx 'nubis: me being a bit straightforward INTERNALLY
[02.01.2014 21:38:37] Xxx 'nubis: is somethign you couldÄve asked me about
[02.01.2014 21:38:48] Xxx 'nubis: i wnated to see a few changes in /r/SMITE
[02.01.2014 21:38:53] Xxx 'nubis: and to do that someone has to make a start
[02.01.2014 21:39:08] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: Well, I am really glad you are sane and you didn't actually go on a weird banning splee - that actually happened before with an old mod
[02.01.2014 21:39:21] Xxx 'nubis: that's not something i'd have ever done
[02.01.2014 21:39:26] Xxx 'nubis: so like i said
[02.01.2014 21:39:31] Xxx 'nubis: the point is nonexistant
[02.01.2014 21:39:31] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: I know that
[02.01.2014 21:39:47] Xxx 'nubis: i also would like to know why i wasnt included when you were talking about me
[02.01.2014 21:39:57] Xxx 'nubis: trust me, if you would have spoke to me straightforward
[02.01.2014 21:40:08] Xxx 'nubis: and not citing a modmail that was intended for everyone as a reason
[02.01.2014 21:40:15] Xxx 'nubis: this would never have coe about
[02.01.2014 21:40:43] Xxx 'nubis: the reason that i got into too many fights... well
[02.01.2014 21:40:44] Xxx 'nubis: seriously
[02.01.2014 21:40:51] Xxx 'nubis: i basically get called  aliar on /r7tribes
[02.01.2014 21:40:57] Xxx 'nubis: and i'm not allowed to defend myself
[02.01.2014 21:41:00] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: The modmail was implicitly directed to you and Ash, if you want to know why it was there in the first place
[02.01.2014 21:41:09] Xxx 'nubis: then it should have said so
[02.01.2014 21:41:13] Xxx 'nubis: i udnerstood the mail
[02.01.2014 21:41:21] Xxx 'nubis: and never did anything that contradicted its contents
[02.01.2014 21:41:43] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: I expeicitly mentioned three times the people on /r/Tribes are circlejerking assholes and they will twist the truth to make you look like the devil, in any possible scenario
[02.01.2014 21:41:56] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: I've had it myself, too, I know the deal
[02.01.2014 21:42:02] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: They keep coming with bullshit arguments
[02.01.2014 21:42:14] Xxx 'nubis: i never modded infairly, i neve threw anyone under the bus, privacy stayed key
[02.01.2014 21:42:15] Xxx 'nubis: etc etc
[02.01.2014 21:42:23] Xxx 'nubis: yeah well
[02.01.2014 21:42:40] Xxx 'nubis: sock himself was  rather lenient when it came to certain people when they weren't talkin on 7r7SMITE
[02.01.2014 21:42:48] Xxx 'nubis: but i cant have my opinion on a different sub
[02.01.2014 21:42:57] Xxx 'nubis: that's kinda bullshit and i do hope you realise that
[02.01.2014 21:43:13] Xxx 'nubis: i also would like to know what fights i got into specifically
[02.01.2014 21:43:16] Xxx 'nubis: i left dmb alone
[02.01.2014 21:43:48] Xxx 'nubis: and the tribes thing. like i said, is a rather bad reason if you go by socks "cant do anything if it isnt in /r7smite or agaisnt the rules"
[02.01.2014 21:44:25] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: In our perception, you left dmb alone after half a dozen of both implicit and explicit mentions from either one of us
[02.01.2014 21:44:49] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: Both in backtalking as in talking to himself, by the way
[02.01.2014 21:44:58] Xxx 'nubis: i never talked to the dude outside of one occasion where he wanted to keep a discussion alive after i deleted a post he answered to AFTER the deletion
[02.01.2014 21:45:11] Xxx 'nubis: the messages i sent him were all in line with him not abiding the rules
[02.01.2014 21:45:33] Xxx 'nubis: i'm scared the real reason you got rid of me is that you don't want someone who's willing to stir in the shit to get things dfone
[02.01.2014 21:45:56] Xxx 'nubis: because /r7smite is slowly getting worse
[02.01.2014 21:45:59] Xxx 'nubis: and in order to change that
[02.01.2014 21:46:03] Xxx 'nubis: someone has to make a start
[02.01.2014 21:46:44] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: It wasn't for that, I can assure you
[02.01.2014 21:47:06] Xxx 'nubis: it does feel like it because as far as i can see it your reasons are relatively weak
[02.01.2014 21:47:17] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: I'll get back to you as soon as I can - I have to go for a second
[02.01.2014 21:47:23] Xxx 'nubis: if i never modden unfairly and the fights i got in are not on /r/smite
[02.01.2014 21:47:26] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: And I'll elaborate
[02.01.2014 21:51:02] Xxx 'nubis: nothing i ever said about brandon was public. if you can't handle me trying to speak to the guy to get my point across
[02.01.2014 21:51:15] Xxx 'nubis: that's real shitty
[02.01.2014 21:52:28] Xxx 'nubis: remember when brandon cried for the removal of mods
[02.01.2014 21:52:38] Xxx 'nubis: well conratulations he got his wish
[02.01.2014 21:52:57] Xxx 'nubis: it felt like i was the only one prepared to do somethign about him
[02.01.2014 21:52:59] Xxx 'nubis: but no
[02.01.2014 21:53:00] Xxx 'nubis: can't have that
[02.01.2014 21:53:01] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: Oh, but he hates me, and he hates Ash, and he dislikes sock
[02.01.2014 21:53:08] Xxx 'nubis: makes me sad man
[02.01.2014 21:53:08] Xxx 'nubis: really
[02.01.2014 21:53:17] Xxx 'nubis: well if he hates all the mods
[02.01.2014 21:53:23] Xxx 'nubis: why didnt you give him the fucking finger ages ago
[02.01.2014 21:53:37] Xxx 'nubis: nothing of this would have ever happend if you would have been prepared to just deal with the guy
[02.01.2014 21:54:30] Xxx 'nubis: that's the real reason isnt it
[02.01.2014 21:54:45] Xxx 'nubis: i was prepared to make DM go if he keeps being a shitbag
[02.01.2014 21:54:49] Xxx 'nubis: and sock and alec didnt want that
[02.01.2014 21:54:52] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: So am I, really
[02.01.2014 21:54:55] Xxx 'nubis: because it would have been bad PR for SMITE
[02.01.2014 21:55:03] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: We cannot moderate outside of what publicly happens in /r/Smite
[02.01.2014 21:55:12] Xxx 'nubis: he was an asshole just a few hours ago
[02.01.2014 21:55:13] Xxx 'nubis: again
[02.01.2014 21:55:13] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: if he's an arse to us in a modmail, fine
[02.01.2014 21:55:16] Xxx 'nubis: i REPORTED that shit
[02.01.2014 21:55:20] Xxx 'nubis: and he's still not banned is he
[02.01.2014 21:55:24] Xxx 'nubis: am i right?
[02.01.2014 21:55:45] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: On that, yep
[02.01.2014 21:55:54] Xxx 'nubis: see
[02.01.2014 21:56:03] Xxx 'nubis: DM being a condescending fuckwit is ok
[02.01.2014 21:56:10] Xxx 'nubis: but me being willing to do something about him isnt
[02.01.2014 21:56:13] Xxx 'nubis: that's real classy
[02.01.2014 21:56:44] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: I can repeat myself over and over again by saying it's not because you dislike DMB or you could change something
[02.01.2014 21:57:12] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: In case you were around when I got promoted - /r/Smite was badly moderated, reported posts were rarely looked at and none of the mods were actually involved
[02.01.2014 21:57:15] Xxx 'nubis: that's how it comes across tho if you are willing to demod me for being a bit edgy after about a month
[02.01.2014 21:57:22] Xxx 'nubis: and let DMB be a troll on /r/SMITE for ages
[02.01.2014 21:57:34] Xxx 'nubis: that's exactly what it feels like to me
[02.01.2014 21:57:57] Xxx 'nubis: and you cant tell me you dont think it unfair that he is still allowed to be on /r/SMITE
[02.01.2014 21:58:02] Xxx 'nubis: after he did something shitty gaain
[02.01.2014 21:58:03] Xxx 'nubis: today
[02.01.2014 21:58:17] Xxx 'nubis: that isnt neutral modding either
[02.01.2014 21:59:06] Xxx 'nubis: do at least say that it's unfair
[02.01.2014 22:00:49] Xxx 'nubis: it just feels like you werent willing to handle the backlash when something happens to dmb
[02.01.2014 22:00:52] Xxx 'nubis: because if you were
[02.01.2014 22:00:55] Xxx 'nubis: he'd be gone
[02.01.2014 22:00:58] Xxx 'nubis: but he isnt
[02.01.2014 22:00:59] Xxx 'nubis: and i am
[02.01.2014 22:01:05] Xxx 'nubis: that tells me a lot personally
[02.01.2014 22:01:21] Xxx | CtrlAltDefeαted: It's not backlash, it's retaliation, which doesn't work if you're trying to get someone banned
[02.01.2014 22:01:38] Xxx 'nubis: how would it have been retaliation
[02.01.2014 22:01:43] Xxx 'nubis: he was brakeing the fucking rules multiple times
[02.01.2014 22:01:46] Xxx 'nubis: even today
[02.01.2014 22:01:50] Xxx 'nubis: yet nobody does anything about him
[02.01.2014 22:02:12] Xxx 'nubis: i would have been prepared to ban him today. and it would have been for a good reason
[02.01.2014 22:02:18] Xxx 'nubis: dont tell me it wouldnt have been
[02.01.2014 22:02:27] Xxx 'nubis: and the same goes for everyone who breaks the rules
[02.01.2014 22:02:35] Xxx 'nubis: i even fucking defended brandon a while ago
[02.01.2014 22:02:40] Xxx 'nubis: when people were ganging up on him
[02.01.2014 22:02:45] Xxx 'nubis: so dont xyou come with neutrality now
[02.01.2014 22:02:54] Xxx 'nubis: because that's bullshit and you know it
[02.01.2014 22:03:56] Xxx 'nubis: and dont think that talking about me behind my back without including me in the process would win you a gold medal ever
[02.01.2014 22:04:07] Xxx 'nubis: that gets to me the most
[02.01.2014 22:05:21] Xxx 'nubis: most of the reason you have for demodding me are asinine if you're being honest.
[02.01.2014 22:05:58] Xxx 'nubis: but whatever, the dicision is amde and i'm not going to change anyones mind on that