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pairnum="5"></div></div><div class="entry likes keyHighlight" keyindex="0"><p class="title"><a class="title loggedin  imgScanned" href="./shitlordery_files/shitlordery.htm">SRS, I am a shitlord. Let's talk about it.</a> <span class="domain">(<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/">self.SRSRecovery</a>)</span></p><p class="tagline">submitted <time title="Mon Jun 25 01:38:32 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T01:38:32.392676+00:00">15 hours</time> ago<time class="edited-timestamp" title="last edited 4 hours ago" datetime="2012-06-25T12:27:16.551073+00:00">*</time> by <a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/haddock420" class="author id-t2_3nhn2 userTagged">haddock420</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="haddock420" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(151, 255, 151); " title="your votes for haddock420: +13">[+13]</a><span class="userattrs"></span></p><div class="expando"><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t3_vjswal02"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t3_vjswa"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>Hi SRS</p>
  111.  
  112. <p>I'm what you'd call a typical redditor. I browse the regular reddits like pics, gaming, trees, askreddit, politics etc so I usually run into you guys in a controversial post/comment thread and end up debating whether something is sexist/racist/hateful with you.</p>
  113.  
  114. <p>Sometimes it can be calm and civil. Other times people get emotional about it. Usually it's things like racist jokes or jokes about rape. I know these are sensitive issues and people can get upset by these jokes, but I don't think it's right to shame redditors for making these jokes. Some people find them entertaining and if you take offense to them, that's something you have to deal with. You can't expect people to avoid certain comedy subjects because you find them offensive. That's just my opinion about it, I know a lot of you will disagree.</p>
  115.  
  116. <p>I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to shame and mock redditors who make these jokes if you want to. But I don't see why you feel the need to do it. These jokes are made for their entertainment/shock value, not to deliberately cause offense to anyone. If you find them offensive, why can't you just ignore them and let us have our joke?</p>
  117.  
  118. <p>I'm willing to discuss this if you guys are. I'm not trying to convince you of my position and you probably won't convince me. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from and why you do what you do.</p>
  119.  
  120. <p>All I ask is that we keep it civil and mature and not get sidetracked by circlejerking. I want to discuss this with you guys but if I think anyone's being overly dismissive or insulting towards me, I won't reply to them.</p>
  121.  
  122. <p>So my question is really, why is it a bad thing for me to make these jokes on reddit? I'm not trying to disparage or insult any particular race or gender. I'm just making a joke for people who enjoy those kind of jokes. I know not everyone on reddit likes those kind of jokes. Why can't you just move on, or give it a downvote if you think it's distasteful?</p>
  123.  
  124. <p>So yeah, why shouldn't I behave this way?</p>
  125.  
  126. <p>I made the SRS front page a while ago. <span class=" keyNavAnnotation">[1] </span><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/rc82u/im_not_a_rapist_or_anything_but_i_would/" class=" hasListener imgScanned">See here</a> for an example of my shitlordery.</p>
  127.  
  128. <p>Thanks.</p>
  129.  
  130. <p>Edit: Would this be more suitable for SRSDiscussion? I'll post it there instead if it'd be a better place for it.</p>
  131.  
  132. <p>Edit: You guys still seem to think I'm here to pick a fight. I'm really not. If you talk to me reasonably (the way you talk to each other when you discuss this seriously), you'll see that I really do want to find out about SRS and not just start an argument. I just felt this was worth repeating because some people still seem to think I'm trying to provoke you. I'm not.</p>
  133.  
  134. <p>Edit: This thread is dying down now and all the new comments seem to be insults directed at me, so I'm pretty much done for now. I'll reply to new posts if you want me to answer something in particular or answer anything not discussed, but I'm not going to respond to anything insulting or hateful towards me. There's no point and I'm getting tired of it. Thanks for the discussion, it's been interesting and I've learned a lot, even if I did have to deal with a few shitbirds. I'll make a final edit when I'm done with this thread to explain what I think and what I've taken away from this.</p>
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  136. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">Hi SRS
  137.  
  138. I'm what you'd call a typical redditor. I browse the regular reddits like pics, gaming, trees, askreddit, politics etc so I usually run into you guys in a controversial post/comment thread and end up debating whether something is sexist/racist/hateful with you.
  139.  
  140. Sometimes it can be calm and civil. Other times people get emotional about it. Usually it's things like racist jokes or jokes about rape. I know these are sensitive issues and people can get upset by these jokes, but I don't think it's right to shame redditors for making these jokes. Some people find them entertaining and if you take offense to them, that's something you have to deal with. You can't expect people to avoid certain comedy subjects because you find them offensive. That's just my opinion about it, I know a lot of you will disagree.
  141.  
  142. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to shame and mock redditors who make these jokes if you want to. But I don't see why you feel the need to do it. These jokes are made for their entertainment/shock value, not to deliberately cause offense to anyone. If you find them offensive, why can't you just ignore them and let us have our joke?
  143.  
  144. I'm willing to discuss this if you guys are. I'm not trying to convince you of my position and you probably won't convince me. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from and why you do what you do.
  145.  
  146. All I ask is that we keep it civil and mature and not get sidetracked by circlejerking. I want to discuss this with you guys but if I think anyone's being overly dismissive or insulting towards me, I won't reply to them.
  147.  
  148. So my question is really, why is it a bad thing for me to make these jokes on reddit? I'm not trying to disparage or insult any particular race or gender. I'm just making a joke for people who enjoy those kind of jokes. I know not everyone on reddit likes those kind of jokes. Why can't you just move on, or give it a downvote if you think it's distasteful?
  149.  
  150. So yeah, why shouldn't I behave this way?
  151.  
  152. I made the SRS front page a while ago. [See here](http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/rc82u/im_not_a_rapist_or_anything_but_i_would/) for an example of my shitlordery.
  153.  
  154. Thanks.
  155.  
  156. Edit: Would this be more suitable for SRSDiscussion? I'll post it there instead if it'd be a better place for it.
  157.  
  158. Edit: You guys still seem to think I'm here to pick a fight. I'm really not. If you talk to me reasonably (the way you talk to each other when you discuss this seriously), you'll see that I really do want to find out about SRS and not just start an argument. I just felt this was worth repeating because some people still seem to think I'm trying to provoke you. I'm not.
  159.  
  160. Edit: This thread is dying down now and all the new comments seem to be insults directed at me, so I'm pretty much done for now. I'll reply to new posts if you want me to answer something in particular or answer anything not discussed, but I'm not going to respond to anything insulting or hateful towards me. There's no point and I'm getting tired of it. Thanks for the discussion, it's been interesting and I've learned a lot, even if I did have to deal with a few shitbirds. I'll make a final edit when I'm done with this thread to explain what I think and what I've taken away from this.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><p>Hi SRS</p>
  161.  
  162. <p>I'm what you'd call a typical redditor. I browse the regular reddits like pics, gaming, trees, askreddit, politics etc so I usually run into you guys in a controversial post/comment thread and end up debating whether something is sexist/racist/hateful with you.</p>
  163.  
  164. <p>Sometimes it can be calm and civil. Other times people get emotional about it. Usually it's things like racist jokes or jokes about rape. I know these are sensitive issues and people can get upset by these jokes, but I don't think it's right to shame redditors for making these jokes. Some people find them entertaining and if you take offense to them, that's something you have to deal with. You can't expect people to avoid certain comedy subjects because you find them offensive. That's just my opinion about it, I know a lot of you will disagree.</p>
  165.  
  166. <p>I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to shame and mock redditors who make these jokes if you want to. But I don't see why you feel the need to do it. These jokes are made for their entertainment/shock value, not to deliberately cause offense to anyone. If you find them offensive, why can't you just ignore them and let us have our joke?</p>
  167.  
  168. <p>I'm willing to discuss this if you guys are. I'm not trying to convince you of my position and you probably won't convince me. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from and why you do what you do.</p>
  169.  
  170. <p>All I ask is that we keep it civil and mature and not get sidetracked by circlejerking. I want to discuss this with you guys but if I think anyone's being overly dismissive or insulting towards me, I won't reply to them.</p>
  171.  
  172. <p>So my question is really, why is it a bad thing for me to make these jokes on reddit? I'm not trying to disparage or insult any particular race or gender. I'm just making a joke for people who enjoy those kind of jokes. I know not everyone on reddit likes those kind of jokes. Why can't you just move on, or give it a downvote if you think it's distasteful?</p>
  173.  
  174. <p>So yeah, why shouldn't I behave this way?</p>
  175.  
  176. <p>I made the SRS front page a while ago. <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/rc82u/im_not_a_rapist_or_anything_but_i_would/">See here</a> for an example of my shitlordery.</p>
  177.  
  178. <p>Thanks.</p>
  179.  
  180. <p>Edit: Would this be more suitable for SRSDiscussion? I'll post it there instead if it'd be a better place for it.</p>
  181.  
  182. <p>Edit: You guys still seem to think I'm here to pick a fight. I'm really not. If you talk to me reasonably (the way you talk to each other when you discuss this seriously), you'll see that I really do want to find out about SRS and not just start an argument. I just felt this was worth repeating because some people still seem to think I'm trying to provoke you. I'm not.</p>
  183.  
  184. <p>Edit: This thread is dying down now and all the new comments seem to be insults directed at me, so I'm pretty much done for now. I'll reply to new posts if you want me to answer something in particular or answer anything not discussed, but I'm not going to respond to anything insulting or hateful towards me. There's no point and I'm getting tired of it. Thanks for the discussion, it's been interesting and I've learned a lot, even if I did have to deal with a few shitbirds. 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But it's not, all SRS does is say "this is not okay". People <em>are</em> free to make rape jokes, and SRS is free to criticise those people. That's completely fair.</p>
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  186. <p>So why shouldn't you make these kinds of jokes? Because it's not a nice thing to do. If you want to be a nice person, one way to do that is not joke about things that will upset people. You can't control what you find funny (although as you understand more about victims of rape or racism your views on what's funny might change) but you can control how you express your sense of humour.</p>
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  188. <p>Why can't SRS ignore it? Well they can. SRS chooses not to because we don't like seeing people being hurt, and we think funny jokes aren't a good enough reason to hurt people. The WHOLE WORLD generally ignores this shit, and SRS is expressly a counter to this.</p>
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  191. <p>You're talking as if SRS is capable of actually censoring people, or otherwise punishing people who make rape jokes. But it's not, all SRS does is say "this is not okay". People are free to make rape jokes, and SRS is free to criticise those people. That's completely fair.</p>
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  194. <p>I agree that SRS is free to mock us if they want, and I know you can't actually censor reddit. I'm just trying to understand the whole "it's not okay" aspect of it.</p>
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  196. <p>I understand that you don't like the jokes and find them offensive or in bad taste. But I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes.</p>
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  199. <p>So why shouldn't you make these kinds of jokes? Because it's not a nice thing to do.</p>
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  201.  
  202. <p>I agree that it's not nice to make these jokes when you know it's going to offend or insult someone. I think people should be expected to be nice and considerate of others when possible, but within reason. I don't think making these kind of jokes crosses any line.</p>
  203.  
  204. <p>It's comparable to when friends rib each other or make jokes about their interests ("You like Justin Bieber? Ha, you're such a f*g"). It's a little insulting but it's just joking around, so nobody takes it personally.</p>
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  206. <p>Obviously jokes about rape and racism are on a different level to this and are more likely to offend, but I think it's a good comparison with many similarities.</p>
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  209. <p>Why can't SRS ignore it? Well they can. SRS chooses not to because we don't like seeing people being hurt, and we think funny jokes aren't a good enough reason to hurt people. The WHOLE WORLD generally ignores this shit, and SRS is expressly a counter to this.</p>
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  212. <p>That's SRS' choice if they feel that's what they need to do.</p>
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  214. <p>I just don't think these jokes are that bad that they require this amount of attention called to them.</p>
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  216. <p>I guess I just find it hard to see why SRS is so sensitive towards these jokes. It makes sense that they might upset you (especially if it relates to something personal for you), but why do these jokes upset you so much that you just can't ignore them? Why do you feel you have to discredit the people who make them? Are the jokes really that hurtful to you?</p>
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  218. <p>I honestly do you want to be more considerate to people who find this offensive, but I find it hard to justify not talking about certain topics because people may find them offensive.</p>
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  220. <p>I made a dead baby joke on Facebook a few years ago, and a friend I knew from high school called me out on it, calling me sick and saying I shouldn't be that hateful towards people who've had miscarriages/abortions. I tried to explain it was just a joke but she stuck by what she said. She really thought I was a sick degenerate for making a joke.</p>
  221.  
  222. <p>I didn't know her well in school, but I always thought she was a nice person and it bothered me to have someone I know think this way about me.</p>
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  224. <p>I always see it as an overreaction though. As I see it, they're just jokes and if you get offended that much by them, you're being over-sensitive. I'd really like to know why you guys react this way.</p>
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  226. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; You're talking as if SRS is capable of actually censoring people, or otherwise punishing people who make rape jokes. But it's not, all SRS does is say "this is not okay". People are free to make rape jokes, and SRS is free to criticise those people. That's completely fair.
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  228. I agree that SRS is free to mock us if they want, and I know you can't actually censor reddit. I'm just trying to understand the whole "it's not okay" aspect of it.
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  230. I understand that you don't like the jokes and find them offensive or in bad taste. But I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes.
  231.  
  232. &gt; So why shouldn't you make these kinds of jokes? Because it's not a nice thing to do.
  233.  
  234. I agree that it's not nice to make these jokes when you know it's going to offend or insult someone. I think people should be expected to be nice and considerate of others when possible, but within reason. I don't think making these kind of jokes crosses any line.
  235.  
  236. It's comparable to when friends rib each other or make jokes about their interests ("You like Justin Bieber? Ha, you're such a f*g"). It's a little insulting but it's just joking around, so nobody takes it personally.
  237.  
  238. Obviously jokes about rape and racism are on a different level to this and are more likely to offend, but I think it's a good comparison with many similarities.
  239.  
  240. &gt; Why can't SRS ignore it? Well they can. SRS chooses not to because we don't like seeing people being hurt, and we think funny jokes aren't a good enough reason to hurt people. The WHOLE WORLD generally ignores this shit, and SRS is expressly a counter to this.
  241.  
  242. That's SRS' choice if they feel that's what they need to do.
  243.  
  244. I just don't think these jokes are that bad that they require this amount of attention called to them.
  245.  
  246. I guess I just find it hard to see why SRS is so sensitive towards these jokes. It makes sense that they might upset you (especially if it relates to something personal for you), but why do these jokes upset you so much that you just can't ignore them? Why do you feel you have to discredit the people who make them? Are the jokes really that hurtful to you?
  247.  
  248. I honestly do you want to be more considerate to people who find this offensive, but I find it hard to justify not talking about certain topics because people may find them offensive.
  249.  
  250. I made a dead baby joke on Facebook a few years ago, and a friend I knew from high school called me out on it, calling me sick and saying I shouldn't be that hateful towards people who've had miscarriages/abortions. I tried to explain it was just a joke but she stuck by what she said. She really thought I was a sick degenerate for making a joke.
  251.  
  252. I didn't know her well in school, but I always thought she was a nice person and it bothered me to have someone I know think this way about me.
  253.  
  254. I always see it as an overreaction though. As I see it, they're just jokes and if you get offended that much by them, you're being over-sensitive. I'd really like to know why you guys react this way.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  255.   <p>You're talking as if SRS is capable of actually censoring people, or otherwise punishing people who make rape jokes. But it's not, all SRS does is say "this is not okay". People are free to make rape jokes, and SRS is free to criticise those people. That's completely fair.</p>
  256. </blockquote>
  257.  
  258. <p>I agree that SRS is free to mock us if they want, and I know you can't actually censor reddit. I'm just trying to understand the whole "it's not okay" aspect of it.</p>
  259.  
  260. <p>I understand that you don't like the jokes and find them offensive or in bad taste. But I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes.</p>
  261.  
  262. <blockquote>
  263.   <p>So why shouldn't you make these kinds of jokes? Because it's not a nice thing to do.</p>
  264. </blockquote>
  265.  
  266. <p>I agree that it's not nice to make these jokes when you know it's going to offend or insult someone. I think people should be expected to be nice and considerate of others when possible, but within reason. I don't think making these kind of jokes crosses any line.</p>
  267.  
  268. <p>It's comparable to when friends rib each other or make jokes about their interests ("You like Justin Bieber? Ha, you're such a f*g"). It's a little insulting but it's just joking around, so nobody takes it personally.</p>
  269.  
  270. <p>Obviously jokes about rape and racism are on a different level to this and are more likely to offend, but I think it's a good comparison with many similarities.</p>
  271.  
  272. <blockquote>
  273.   <p>Why can't SRS ignore it? Well they can. SRS chooses not to because we don't like seeing people being hurt, and we think funny jokes aren't a good enough reason to hurt people. The WHOLE WORLD generally ignores this shit, and SRS is expressly a counter to this.</p>
  274. </blockquote>
  275.  
  276. <p>That's SRS' choice if they feel that's what they need to do.</p>
  277.  
  278. <p>I just don't think these jokes are that bad that they require this amount of attention called to them.</p>
  279.  
  280. <p>I guess I just find it hard to see why SRS is so sensitive towards these jokes. It makes sense that they might upset you (especially if it relates to something personal for you), but why do these jokes upset you so much that you just can't ignore them? Why do you feel you have to discredit the people who make them? Are the jokes really that hurtful to you?</p>
  281.  
  282. <p>I honestly do you want to be more considerate to people who find this offensive, but I find it hard to justify not talking about certain topics because people may find them offensive.</p>
  283.  
  284. <p>I made a dead baby joke on Facebook a few years ago, and a friend I knew from high school called me out on it, calling me sick and saying I shouldn't be that hateful towards people who've had miscarriages/abortions. I tried to explain it was just a joke but she stuck by what she said. She really thought I was a sick degenerate for making a joke.</p>
  285.  
  286. <p>I didn't know her well in school, but I always thought she was a nice person and it bothered me to have someone I know think this way about me.</p>
  287.  
  288. <p>I always see it as an overreaction though. As I see it, they're just jokes and if you get offended that much by them, you're being over-sensitive. I'd really like to know why you guys react this way.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5583s7" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c554x3c" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c5583s7" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5583s7" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c5583s7" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c558kp2 odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c558kp2" data-ups="5" data-downs="2"><p class="parent"><a name="c558kp2"></a></p><div class="midcol dislikes"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;b6e4f1af676d9a2ef7eff121547b2aef9a08de80&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="8"></div><div class="arrow downmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;b6e4f1af676d9a2ef7eff121547b2aef9a08de80&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="8"></div></div><div class="entry dislikes" keyindex="3"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/camgnostic" class="author gray id-t2_330gt">camgnostic</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">3 points</span><span class="score unvoted">4 points</span><span class="score likes">5 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 09:21:15 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T09:21:15.654384+00:00">7 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(7 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/camgnostic" class="author id-t2_330gt userTagged">camgnostic</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="camgnostic" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(255, 247, 247); " title="your votes for camgnostic: -1">[-1]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">3 points</span><span class="score unvoted">4 points</span><span class="score likes">5 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 10:21:15 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 09:21:15 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T09:21:15.654384+00:00">7 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">5</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">2</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c558kp20ot"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c558kp2"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><blockquote>
  289. <p>I understand that you don't like the jokes and find them offensive or in bad taste. But I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes.</p>
  290. </blockquote>
  291.  
  292. <p>Here's the lynchpin of this whole affair every time the "lemme tell you why you should just shut up, SRS" nonsense comes up.  Do you realize how hypocritical it is for you to spend time telling us that it's not okay that we spend time telling you it's not okay to make jokes like that?  Do you see the irony?  If your thesis were true, namely that people should just never bother ever thinking anything anyone else does is not okay, you wouldn't be here making this post.  Nor would the thousand before you, nor the thousand to come.  So clearly, your being here, making this post, proves that you don't actually believe this.  It bothers you, for some reason.  Perhaps being told that something you're doing is not okay bothers you when it resonates with some part of you that suspects the same?  Just hazarding a guess here.</p>
  293.  
  294. <p>As for the "over-sensitive" "just jokes" "calm down" "over-reacting" nonsense, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture" class=" imgScanned">do some reading</a> on <a href="http://adecenthumanbeing.com/2011/12/30/its-just-a-joke/" class=" imgScanned">why jokes normalize a behavior</a> allowing <a href="http://supportcece.wordpress.com/" class=" imgScanned">racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc.</a> behaviors a position of <a href="http://gawker.com/5899322/the-dog-whistle-has-sounded-how-the-right-talks-about-thugs-like-trayvon-martin" class=" imgScanned">societal normalcy</a>. </p>
  295.  
  296. <p>You joke about it, confident that it's just jokes and it's all in good fun and you're not ACTUALLY racist, and you don't ACTUALLY think trans* people are just a punchline, and you TOTALLY have gay friends, and that word is JUST a word... but in fact you're normalizing a prejudice, hatred, discrimination, and bigotry that is ongoing, present in society, faced by marginalized people every day, and further perpetrated by the normalization it receives by being upvoted seven gajillion times on reddit and read by teenage chucklefucks who are still forming their definition of what's cool and normal based on what they see their peers do (read: what's upvoted seven gajillion times on reddit).</p>
  297.  
  298. <p>That's one reason to stop making those jokes.  There's also the fact that someone who was raped could be reading reddit and read your little rape joke and be severely hurt by it.  And if you're a decent human being, and you find out that your actions might be hurting someone, you seek to change those actions, not light up the defenses with why your actions were okay.  This is not a courtroom, and defensiveness is not a good default.  When someone says "that hurt me", why is your first reaction "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO" instead of "oh god, sorry, lemme try and change"?  </p>
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  301. <p>Here's the lynchpin of this whole affair every time the "lemme tell you why you should just shut up, SRS" nonsense comes up.</p>
  302. </blockquote>
  303.  
  304. <p>Firstly, this isn't a "Here's why you should shut up, SRS" thread. I'm just trying to understand how you guys think and why you act the way that you do. I apologize if I seemed confrontational in my OP, that wasn't my intent.</p>
  305.  
  306. <blockquote>
  307. <p>Do you realize how hypocritical it is for you to spend time telling us that it's not okay that we spend time telling you it's not okay to make jokes like that? Do you see the irony?</p>
  308. </blockquote>
  309.  
  310. <p>No. I could see why you might think it's ironic or hypocritical, but I don't see it that way. I don't see myself as a racist or a bigot, but I'll make jokes about race because I find them funny.</p>
  311.  
  312. <p>I can see why you might think so but I don't agree that I'm a hypocrite. To me, jokes aren't racist in the same way as actual racism. I'm sure you've heard that a lot before, but I'll explain what I mean by it if you want me to.</p>
  313.  
  314. <p>I would argue that SRS is hypocritical in that they attack white people and males in the same way that they oppose. They just use poor excuses to justify it (privilege, white people can't be hurt by racism, etc) and get off on the exact same kind of hurtful humour that I do.</p>
  315.  
  316. <p>I'm not here to attack SRS though, so I don't want to get into an argument about who the real hypocrite is. That's just how I see it.</p>
  317.  
  318. <p>I'm not here to tell you you're wrong and say "This is why racist jokes are funny" I'm just here to try and understand why you guys do what you do and why you feel such hate and resentment towards us 'shitlords' for telling (what we see as) harmless jokes.</p>
  319.  
  320. <blockquote>
  321. <p>As for the "over-sensitive" "just jokes" "calm down" "over-reacting" nonsense, [1] do some reading on [2] why jokes normalize a behavior allowing [3] racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. behaviors a position of [4] societal normalcy.</p>
  322. </blockquote>
  323.  
  324. <p>I don't doubt that there are good arguments against this behavior, but you're categorizing me with every kind of bigot without even knowing what I think. I think this kind of behavior is disingeuous and does more harm than good.</p>
  325.  
  326. <p>I hate a lot about what you would describe as rape culture. It bothers me when people argue things like "She was drunk and said yes, how could it be rape?" or "She was wearing revealing clothes, how can she claim she wasn't interested in sex?" Those things really do bother me in the same way they bother you, maybe not to the same degree as someone who's been raped obviously, but I really don't like the victim blaming we allow in our societies.</p>
  327.  
  328. <p>I also don't make jokes about trans* people or have any problem with trans* people. If I knew some funny trans* jokes, I'd probably tell them, but I don't. And if I did tell jokes about trans* people, it wouldn't be because I'm against trans* people, it'd be because I enjoy funny jokes.</p>
  329.  
  330. <p>The article about jokes normalizing bad behavior is interesting, it makes some good points. But it still relies on a central point that I don't agree with (that racist jokes are due to truly racist behavior), and it also assumes these jokes are told in the company of those who would take offense to them. I'm arguing that it's okay to joke like this this between friends or people who don't have issues with it. </p>
  331.  
  332. <p>One thing the article mentions is this, which is something I feel strongly about:</p>
  333.  
  334. <blockquote>
  335. <p>Take rape, for example. Male rape in prisons is a very serious subject but if you look at the media male rape is buried behind the smoke screen of jokes and stupid skits. How many of you have heard a variation of the old “bend over to pick up the soap”?</p>
  336. </blockquote>
  337.  
  338. <p>I'm not saying I'm against jokes about prison rape. I'm sure they can be funny sometimes. I'm against normalizing the idea that prison rape (or rape on men in general) is ok. People have the notion that "They're in prison so they deserve it" and it gets normalized, but IMO nobody deserves to be raped.</p>
  339.  
  340. <p>I see this prison rape argument get mocked and belittled on SRS (because misandry don't exist? I don't know). I don't see how you can claim SRS isn't at least a bit hypocritical when they act this way.</p>
  341.  
  342. <blockquote>
  343. <p>There's also the fact that someone who was raped could be reading reddit and read your little rape joke and be severely hurt by it.</p>
  344. </blockquote>
  345.  
  346. <p>That's not enough reason for me to stop making these jokes. I know people may take offense or be upset by them, and I try to be considerate not to make them in places I know people will have problems with them, but to say "they don't like it" or "they find it hurtful" isn't enough reason for you to ask me to stop making those jokes and call me ignorant and bigoted if I do.</p>
  347.  
  348. <p>One thing I'd like to ask is that you discuss this with me respectfully (as you would with a SRS user on SRSDiscussion). I know it's easy to treat a shitlord flippantly because you have such a low opinion of shitlords, but I'm really here to understand you guys, not to confront you or convince you that I'm in the right.</p>
  349.  
  350. <blockquote>
  351. <p>This is not a courtroom, and defensiveness is not a good default. When someone says "that hurt me", why is your first reaction "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO" instead of "oh god, sorry, lemme try and change"?</p>
  352. </blockquote>
  353.  
  354. <p>I'm not saying this is a courtroom, and I'm not here to discuss technical details about why it may or may not be wrong. I'm just trying to understand the SRS community and defend my beliefs about this.</p>
  355.  
  356. <p>I know it may seem that I may default to being defensive, but I think the same is true of SRS users (your post seemed very defensive, no offense intended). I think this is because your natural reaction is "Oh God how could you say that?" where our reaction to you is "Why are you taking it personally? It's just a joke"</p>
  357.  
  358. <p>It's hard to argue reasonably with someone when you have such contrasting gut reactions to the same thing.</p>
  359.  
  360. <p>I had a lot of hate and resentment towards SRS when they started. I'd been using reddit for a few years at the time and from my perspective, we'd been happily making these jokes with no problems at all. Suddenly you guys came along out of nowhere and told everyone "Hey! You can't do that! Don't you know how hateful that is?"</p>
  361.  
  362. <p>You can see how this might annoy regular redditors like me, right? I dismissed you guys as crazy to begin with, but the more I've looked into what you believe, the more I want to know why you feel this way. I still don't understand you guys, but I want to.</p>
  363.  
  364. <p>Honestly I browse SRS myself sometimes just because I find the humour so entertaining. On the SRS thread about me someone posted "I am not a shitlord, but I am the lord of all shit." I thought this was really funny, even though it was directly mocking me and I did take it a little personally.</p>
  365.  
  366. <p>Anyway, I'm enjoying talking about this with you guys and I'd like to carry on. I just ask that you don't reduce my arguments down to simple straw mans like "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO" and "Let me tell you why you should shut up." I really just want a debate about this.</p>
  367.  
  368. <p>In return, I'll try to take your arguments as seriously as I can and consider your points sincerely.</p>
  369. </div>
  370. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; Here's the lynchpin of this whole affair every time the "lemme tell you why you should just shut up, SRS" nonsense comes up.
  371.  
  372. Firstly, this isn't a "Here's why you should shut up, SRS" thread. I'm just trying to understand how you guys think and why you act the way that you do. I apologize if I seemed confrontational in my OP, that wasn't my intent.
  373.  
  374. &gt; Do you realize how hypocritical it is for you to spend time telling us that it's not okay that we spend time telling you it's not okay to make jokes like that? Do you see the irony?
  375.  
  376. No. I could see why you might think it's ironic or hypocritical, but I don't see it that way. I don't see myself as a racist or a bigot, but I'll make jokes about race because I find them funny.
  377.  
  378. I can see why you might think so but I don't agree that I'm a hypocrite. To me, jokes aren't racist in the same way as actual racism. I'm sure you've heard that a lot before, but I'll explain what I mean by it if you want me to.
  379.  
  380. I would argue that SRS is hypocritical in that they attack white people and males in the same way that they oppose. They just use poor excuses to justify it (privilege, white people can't be hurt by racism, etc) and get off on the exact same kind of hurtful humour that I do.
  381.  
  382. I'm not here to attack SRS though, so I don't want to get into an argument about who the real hypocrite is. That's just how I see it.
  383.  
  384. I'm not here to tell you you're wrong and say "This is why racist jokes are funny" I'm just here to try and understand why you guys do what you do and why you feel such hate and resentment towards us 'shitlords' for telling (what we see as) harmless jokes.
  385.  
  386. &gt; As for the "over-sensitive" "just jokes" "calm down" "over-reacting" nonsense, [1] do some reading on [2] why jokes normalize a behavior allowing [3] racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. behaviors a position of [4] societal normalcy.
  387.  
  388. I don't doubt that there are good arguments against this behavior, but you're categorizing me with every kind of bigot without even knowing what I think. I think this kind of behavior is disingeuous and does more harm than good.
  389.  
  390. I hate a lot about what you would describe as rape culture. It bothers me when people argue things like "She was drunk and said yes, how could it be rape?" or "She was wearing revealing clothes, how can she claim she wasn't interested in sex?" Those things really do bother me in the same way they bother you, maybe not to the same degree as someone who's been raped obviously, but I really don't like the victim blaming we allow in our societies.
  391.  
  392. I also don't make jokes about trans* people or have any problem with trans* people. If I knew some funny trans* jokes, I'd probably tell them, but I don't. And if I did tell jokes about trans* people, it wouldn't be because I'm against trans* people, it'd be because I enjoy funny jokes.
  393.  
  394. The article about jokes normalizing bad behavior is interesting, it makes some good points. But it still relies on a central point that I don't agree with (that racist jokes are due to truly racist behavior), and it also assumes these jokes are told in the company of those who would take offense to them. I'm arguing that it's okay to joke like this this between friends or people who don't have issues with it.
  395.  
  396. One thing the article mentions is this, which is something I feel strongly about:
  397.  
  398. &gt; Take rape, for example. Male rape in prisons is a very serious subject but if you look at the media male rape is buried behind the smoke screen of jokes and stupid skits. How many of you have heard a variation of the old “bend over to pick up the soap”?
  399.  
  400. I'm not saying I'm against jokes about prison rape. I'm sure they can be funny sometimes. I'm against normalizing the idea that prison rape (or rape on men in general) is ok. People have the notion that "They're in prison so they deserve it" and it gets normalized, but IMO nobody deserves to be raped.
  401.  
  402. I see this prison rape argument get mocked and belittled on SRS (because misandry don't exist? I don't know). I don't see how you can claim SRS isn't at least a bit hypocritical when they act this way.
  403.  
  404. &gt; There's also the fact that someone who was raped could be reading reddit and read your little rape joke and be severely hurt by it.
  405.  
  406. That's not enough reason for me to stop making these jokes. I know people may take offense or be upset by them, and I try to be considerate not to make them in places I know people will have problems with them, but to say "they don't like it" or "they find it hurtful" isn't enough reason for you to ask me to stop making those jokes and call me ignorant and bigoted if I do.
  407.  
  408. One thing I'd like to ask is that you discuss this with me respectfully (as you would with a SRS user on SRSDiscussion). I know it's easy to treat a shitlord flippantly because you have such a low opinion of shitlords, but I'm really here to understand you guys, not to confront you or convince you that I'm in the right.
  409.  
  410. &gt; This is not a courtroom, and defensiveness is not a good default. When someone says "that hurt me", why is your first reaction "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO" instead of "oh god, sorry, lemme try and change"?
  411.  
  412. I'm not saying this is a courtroom, and I'm not here to discuss technical details about why it may or may not be wrong. I'm just trying to understand the SRS community and defend my beliefs about this.
  413.  
  414. I know it may seem that I may default to being defensive, but I think the same is true of SRS users (your post seemed very defensive, no offense intended). I think this is because your natural reaction is "Oh God how could you say that?" where our reaction to you is "Why are you taking it personally? It's just a joke"
  415.  
  416. It's hard to argue reasonably with someone when you have such contrasting gut reactions to the same thing.
  417.  
  418. I had a lot of hate and resentment towards SRS when they started. I'd been using reddit for a few years at the time and from my perspective, we'd been happily making these jokes with no problems at all. Suddenly you guys came along out of nowhere and told everyone "Hey! You can't do that! Don't you know how hateful that is?"
  419.  
  420. You can see how this might annoy regular redditors like me, right? I dismissed you guys as crazy to begin with, but the more I've looked into what you believe, the more I want to know why you feel this way. I still don't understand you guys, but I want to.
  421.  
  422. Honestly I browse SRS myself sometimes just because I find the humour so entertaining. On the SRS thread about me someone posted "I am not a shitlord, but I am the lord of all shit." I thought this was really funny, even though it was directly mocking me and I did take it a little personally.
  423.  
  424. Anyway, I'm enjoying talking about this with you guys and I'd like to carry on. I just ask that you don't reduce my arguments down to simple straw mans like "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO" and "Let me tell you why you should shut up." I really just want a debate about this.
  425.  
  426. In return, I'll try to take your arguments as seriously as I can and consider your points sincerely.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  427.   <p>Here's the lynchpin of this whole affair every time the "lemme tell you why you should just shut up, SRS" nonsense comes up.</p>
  428. </blockquote>
  429.  
  430. <p>Firstly, this isn't a "Here's why you should shut up, SRS" thread. I'm just trying to understand how you guys think and why you act the way that you do. I apologize if I seemed confrontational in my OP, that wasn't my intent.</p>
  431.  
  432. <blockquote>
  433.   <p>Do you realize how hypocritical it is for you to spend time telling us that it's not okay that we spend time telling you it's not okay to make jokes like that? Do you see the irony?</p>
  434. </blockquote>
  435.  
  436. <p>No. I could see why you might think it's ironic or hypocritical, but I don't see it that way. I don't see myself as a racist or a bigot, but I'll make jokes about race because I find them funny.</p>
  437.  
  438. <p>I can see why you might think so but I don't agree that I'm a hypocrite. To me, jokes aren't racist in the same way as actual racism. I'm sure you've heard that a lot before, but I'll explain what I mean by it if you want me to.</p>
  439.  
  440. <p>I would argue that SRS is hypocritical in that they attack white people and males in the same way that they oppose. They just use poor excuses to justify it (privilege, white people can't be hurt by racism, etc) and get off on the exact same kind of hurtful humour that I do.</p>
  441.  
  442. <p>I'm not here to attack SRS though, so I don't want to get into an argument about who the real hypocrite is. That's just how I see it.</p>
  443.  
  444. <p>I'm not here to tell you you're wrong and say "This is why racist jokes are funny" I'm just here to try and understand why you guys do what you do and why you feel such hate and resentment towards us 'shitlords' for telling (what we see as) harmless jokes.</p>
  445.  
  446. <blockquote>
  447.   <p>As for the "over-sensitive" "just jokes" "calm down" "over-reacting" nonsense, [1] do some reading on [2] why jokes normalize a behavior allowing [3] racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. behaviors a position of [4] societal normalcy.</p>
  448. </blockquote>
  449.  
  450. <p>I don't doubt that there are good arguments against this behavior, but you're categorizing me with every kind of bigot without even knowing what I think. I think this kind of behavior is disingeuous and does more harm than good.</p>
  451.  
  452. <p>I hate a lot about what you would describe as rape culture. It bothers me when people argue things like "She was drunk and said yes, how could it be rape?" or "She was wearing revealing clothes, how can she claim she wasn't interested in sex?" Those things really do bother me in the same way they bother you, maybe not to the same degree as someone who's been raped obviously, but I really don't like the victim blaming we allow in our societies.</p>
  453.  
  454. <p>I also don't make jokes about trans<em> people or have any problem with trans</em> people. If I knew some funny trans<em> jokes, I'd probably tell them, but I don't. And if I did tell jokes about trans</em> people, it wouldn't be because I'm against trans* people, it'd be because I enjoy funny jokes.</p>
  455.  
  456. <p>The article about jokes normalizing bad behavior is interesting, it makes some good points. But it still relies on a central point that I don't agree with (that racist jokes are due to truly racist behavior), and it also assumes these jokes are told in the company of those who would take offense to them. I'm arguing that it's okay to joke like this this between friends or people who don't have issues with it. </p>
  457.  
  458. <p>One thing the article mentions is this, which is something I feel strongly about:</p>
  459.  
  460. <blockquote>
  461.   <p>Take rape, for example. Male rape in prisons is a very serious subject but if you look at the media male rape is buried behind the smoke screen of jokes and stupid skits. How many of you have heard a variation of the old “bend over to pick up the soap”?</p>
  462. </blockquote>
  463.  
  464. <p>I'm not saying I'm against jokes about prison rape. I'm sure they can be funny sometimes. I'm against normalizing the idea that prison rape (or rape on men in general) is ok. People have the notion that "They're in prison so they deserve it" and it gets normalized, but IMO nobody deserves to be raped.</p>
  465.  
  466. <p>I see this prison rape argument get mocked and belittled on SRS (because misandry don't exist? I don't know). I don't see how you can claim SRS isn't at least a bit hypocritical when they act this way.</p>
  467.  
  468. <blockquote>
  469.   <p>There's also the fact that someone who was raped could be reading reddit and read your little rape joke and be severely hurt by it.</p>
  470. </blockquote>
  471.  
  472. <p>That's not enough reason for me to stop making these jokes. I know people may take offense or be upset by them, and I try to be considerate not to make them in places I know people will have problems with them, but to say "they don't like it" or "they find it hurtful" isn't enough reason for you to ask me to stop making those jokes and call me ignorant and bigoted if I do.</p>
  473.  
  474. <p>One thing I'd like to ask is that you discuss this with me respectfully (as you would with a SRS user on SRSDiscussion). I know it's easy to treat a shitlord flippantly because you have such a low opinion of shitlords, but I'm really here to understand you guys, not to confront you or convince you that I'm in the right.</p>
  475.  
  476. <blockquote>
  477.   <p>This is not a courtroom, and defensiveness is not a good default. When someone says "that hurt me", why is your first reaction "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO" instead of "oh god, sorry, lemme try and change"?</p>
  478. </blockquote>
  479.  
  480. <p>I'm not saying this is a courtroom, and I'm not here to discuss technical details about why it may or may not be wrong. I'm just trying to understand the SRS community and defend my beliefs about this.</p>
  481.  
  482. <p>I know it may seem that I may default to being defensive, but I think the same is true of SRS users (your post seemed very defensive, no offense intended). I think this is because your natural reaction is "Oh God how could you say that?" where our reaction to you is "Why are you taking it personally? It's just a joke"</p>
  483.  
  484. <p>It's hard to argue reasonably with someone when you have such contrasting gut reactions to the same thing.</p>
  485.  
  486. <p>I had a lot of hate and resentment towards SRS when they started. I'd been using reddit for a few years at the time and from my perspective, we'd been happily making these jokes with no problems at all. Suddenly you guys came along out of nowhere and told everyone "Hey! You can't do that! Don't you know how hateful that is?"</p>
  487.  
  488. <p>You can see how this might annoy regular redditors like me, right? I dismissed you guys as crazy to begin with, but the more I've looked into what you believe, the more I want to know why you feel this way. I still don't understand you guys, but I want to.</p>
  489.  
  490. <p>Honestly I browse SRS myself sometimes just because I find the humour so entertaining. On the SRS thread about me someone posted "I am not a shitlord, but I am the lord of all shit." I thought this was really funny, even though it was directly mocking me and I did take it a little personally.</p>
  491.  
  492. <p>Anyway, I'm enjoying talking about this with you guys and I'd like to carry on. I just ask that you don't reduce my arguments down to simple straw mans like "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO" and "Let me tell you why you should shut up." I really just want a debate about this.</p>
  493.  
  494. <p>In return, I'll try to take your arguments as seriously as I can and consider your points sincerely.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c558w8w" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c558kp2" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c558w8w" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c558w8w" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c558w8w" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c558zk2 even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c558zk2" data-ups="6" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c558zk2"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;896f7e138eb875ae9f87a6d60a37b4aaa0ebb858&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="10"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;896f7e138eb875ae9f87a6d60a37b4aaa0ebb858&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="10"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="5"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/camgnostic" class="author gray id-t2_330gt">camgnostic</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">5 points</span><span class="score unvoted">6 points</span><span class="score likes">7 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 10:47:04 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T10:47:04.832501+00:00">6 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(5 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/camgnostic" class="author id-t2_330gt userTagged">camgnostic</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="camgnostic" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(255, 247, 247); " title="your votes for camgnostic: -1">[-1]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">5 points</span><span class="score unvoted">6 points</span><span class="score likes">7 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 11:47:04 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 10:47:04 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T10:47:04.832501+00:00">6 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">6</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">1</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c558zk2jsz"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c558zk2"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>Oh god a line-by-line.  I don't have the energy for this.  You missed the point on several occasions up there, and I'm not going to line-by-line back, because it's depressing.  Lemme sum up with a couple points.  </p>
  495.  
  496. <p>Re: the irony thing.   You just said "Firstly, this isn't a "Here's why you should shut up, SRS" thread.".  But in your OP you said: "why can't you just ignore them and let us have our joke?" and "Why can't you just move on?" and "I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes."  Which is what I was talking about.  You're in here telling us we shouldn't tell people what they shouldn't say.  Which is hypocritical.  Period.  Don't get into whether the "attacking white people" thing is hypocritical or any of that, because that's not what I said.  You're changing the subject.  Focus.</p>
  497.  
  498. <p>Then you said I was "categorizing me with every kind of bigot without even knowing what I think."  I never categorized you with any kind of bigot.  I pointed out how racist, homophobic, and transphobic jokes normalize behaviors.  Period.  Don't change the subject, and don't invent a personal attack where there wasn't one.</p>
  499.  
  500. <p>You say you hate rape culture.  Well, rape jokes are part of rape culture.  Period.  If you don't believe me, read more.</p>
  501.  
  502. <p>You brought up prison rape, and then said that SRS is somehow hypocritical because prison rape?  No one in SRS jokes about prison rape.  Joking about rape is not okay in SRS.  Just as many of us believe that joking about rape is not okay in the world.  You may believe joking about rape is okay.  I think you are wrong.  But none of us is joking about prison rape being hilarious.  Show me one example of that.</p>
  503.  
  504. <p>When you say that someone being hurt, genuinely emotionally hurt by your words, is not enough to make you want to change your behavior, that makes you a bad person, in my book.  I don't see any other explanation.  Measure it by utilitarian standards, you get a little bit of a laugh from a joke, someone else gets serious emotional pain.  That's bad.  Measure it by Kantian standards, and you have a rule that violates the categorical imperative.  Measure it by basic human decency and you're saying your self-interest to be seen as funny is more important than the emotional health of others.  Bad person.  Period.</p>
  505.  
  506. <p>Finally: "One thing I'd like to ask is that you discuss this with me respectfully"  I've been plenty respectful.  Don't fucking tone argument me.  Show me where I disrespected you.  </p>
  507.  
  508. <p>You're doing a lot of handwaving and accusing and subject-changing, but it seems like it comes down to this:</p>
  509.  
  510. <ul>
  511. <li><p>You think that if you can prove you aren't a racist, you can make racist jokes.  I think that if you make racist jokes, you are perpetuating racism by normalizing it (and I cited other authors who agree, and I can give a whole wealth of scholarly discourse that supports that, and it's well accepted here).  You haven't given any reason why your position is right, other than stating it a bunch.  That's not arguing, discussing, or debating, that's just restating.  (and "racist" here can also be homophobic, transphobic, or rape-culture-perpetuating)</p></li>
  512. <li><p>you are trying to explain to SRS why they shouldn't be offended, while at the same time being so offended by SRS that you feel the need to make the argument.  I see this as fundamentally hypocritcal, you haven't explained why it isn't.</p></li>
  513. <li><p>you don't seem to care about hurting others, and that fundamental lack of empathy is unfathomable to me.  If you can't be bothered to adjust your actions to not hurt other humans, then I will continue to think of you as a shitlord and mock you in SRS.  Can you give me a valid justification for hurting people besides "I think it's funny"?</p></li>
  514. </ul>
  515. </div>
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  517. <p>Oh god a line-by-line. I don't have the energy for this. You missed the point on several occasions up there, and I'm not going to line-by-line back, because it's depressing. Lemme sum up with a couple points.</p>
  518. </blockquote>
  519.  
  520. <p>If you don't like the line-by-line format, I won't use it. I'm just trying to have a mature discussion about this and you aren't making this easy.</p>
  521.  
  522. <blockquote>
  523. <p>Re: the irony thing. You just said "Firstly, this isn't a "Here's why you should shut up, SRS" thread.". But in your OP you said: "why can't you just ignore them and let us have our joke?" and "Why can't you just move on?" and "I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes." </p>
  524. </blockquote>
  525.  
  526. <p>These are just questions I want answers to. I'm not using them to discredit you, I just want to know. Again, sorry if I don't sound sincere.</p>
  527.  
  528. <blockquote>
  529. <p>Finally: "One thing I'd like to ask is that you discuss this with me respectfully" I've been plenty respectful. </p>
  530. </blockquote>
  531.  
  532. <p>(next sentence is:)</p>
  533.  
  534. <blockquote>
  535. <p>Don't fucking tone argument me. Show me where I disrespected you.</p>
  536. </blockquote>
  537.  
  538. <p>Yeah, that's not what being respectful is. If you really think that's what respectful means, you need to look it up in a dictionary or learn some manners.</p>
  539.  
  540. <p>You want an example of where you disrespect me? Like shooting fish in a barrel, your post is riddled with it, but ok:</p>
  541.  
  542. <blockquote>
  543. <p>You joke about it, confident that it's just jokes and it's all in good fun and you're not ACTUALLY racist, and you don't ACTUALLY think trans* people are just a punchline, and you TOTALLY have gay friends, and that word is JUST a word...</p>
  544. </blockquote>
  545.  
  546. <p>You really think that's a respectful way to discuss something with someone who's approached you for a mature and civil argument? Seriously?</p>
  547.  
  548. <p>Anyway, I'll stop with the line-by-line because I know your energy is too valuable to waste on me. (If you don't want to argue with me, why are you posting here?)</p>
  549.  
  550. <p>But if you're going to claim to be respectful to me while being obviously insulting and dismissive and saying "Don't fucking tone argument me", then you're really just looking for a fight, and that's not what I want.</p>
  551.  
  552. <p>I'll address the rest of your post if you want (I didn't because you obviously don't want me to). But if you aren't going to be nice to me or take me seriously, why should I talk to you?</p>
  553. </div>
  554. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; Oh god a line-by-line. I don't have the energy for this. You missed the point on several occasions up there, and I'm not going to line-by-line back, because it's depressing. Lemme sum up with a couple points.
  555.  
  556. If you don't like the line-by-line format, I won't use it. I'm just trying to have a mature discussion about this and you aren't making this easy.
  557.  
  558. &gt; Re: the irony thing. You just said "Firstly, this isn't a "Here's why you should shut up, SRS" thread.". But in your OP you said: "why can't you just ignore them and let us have our joke?" and "Why can't you just move on?" and "I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes."
  559.  
  560. These are just questions I want answers to. I'm not using them to discredit you, I just want to know. Again, sorry if I don't sound sincere.
  561.  
  562. &gt; Finally: "One thing I'd like to ask is that you discuss this with me respectfully" I've been plenty respectful.
  563.  
  564. (next sentence is:)
  565.  
  566. &gt; Don't fucking tone argument me. Show me where I disrespected you.
  567.  
  568. Yeah, that's not what being respectful is. If you really think that's what respectful means, you need to look it up in a dictionary or learn some manners.
  569.  
  570. You want an example of where you disrespect me? Like shooting fish in a barrel, your post is riddled with it, but ok:
  571.  
  572. &gt; You joke about it, confident that it's just jokes and it's all in good fun and you're not ACTUALLY racist, and you don't ACTUALLY think trans* people are just a punchline, and you TOTALLY have gay friends, and that word is JUST a word...
  573.  
  574. You really think that's a respectful way to discuss something with someone who's approached you for a mature and civil argument? Seriously?
  575.  
  576. Anyway, I'll stop with the line-by-line because I know your energy is too valuable to waste on me. (If you don't want to argue with me, why are you posting here?)
  577.  
  578. But if you're going to claim to be respectful to me while being obviously insulting and dismissive and saying "Don't fucking tone argument me", then you're really just looking for a fight, and that's not what I want.
  579.  
  580. I'll address the rest of your post if you want (I didn't because you obviously don't want me to). But if you aren't going to be nice to me or take me seriously, why should I talk to you?</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  581.   <p>Oh god a line-by-line. I don't have the energy for this. You missed the point on several occasions up there, and I'm not going to line-by-line back, because it's depressing. Lemme sum up with a couple points.</p>
  582. </blockquote>
  583.  
  584. <p>If you don't like the line-by-line format, I won't use it. I'm just trying to have a mature discussion about this and you aren't making this easy.</p>
  585.  
  586. <blockquote>
  587.   <p>Re: the irony thing. You just said "Firstly, this isn't a "Here's why you should shut up, SRS" thread.". But in your OP you said: "why can't you just ignore them and let us have our joke?" and "Why can't you just move on?" and "I don't think it's worth your time (or even the right thing to do) to insist that people shouldn't make these kind of jokes." </p>
  588. </blockquote>
  589.  
  590. <p>These are just questions I want answers to. I'm not using them to discredit you, I just want to know. Again, sorry if I don't sound sincere.</p>
  591.  
  592. <blockquote>
  593.   <p>Finally: "One thing I'd like to ask is that you discuss this with me respectfully" I've been plenty respectful. </p>
  594. </blockquote>
  595.  
  596. <p>(next sentence is:)</p>
  597.  
  598. <blockquote>
  599.   <p>Don't fucking tone argument me. Show me where I disrespected you.</p>
  600. </blockquote>
  601.  
  602. <p>Yeah, that's not what being respectful is. If you really think that's what respectful means, you need to look it up in a dictionary or learn some manners.</p>
  603.  
  604. <p>You want an example of where you disrespect me? Like shooting fish in a barrel, your post is riddled with it, but ok:</p>
  605.  
  606. <blockquote>
  607.   <p>You joke about it, confident that it's just jokes and it's all in good fun and you're not ACTUALLY racist, and you don't ACTUALLY think trans* people are just a punchline, and you TOTALLY have gay friends, and that word is JUST a word...</p>
  608. </blockquote>
  609.  
  610. <p>You really think that's a respectful way to discuss something with someone who's approached you for a mature and civil argument? Seriously?</p>
  611.  
  612. <p>Anyway, I'll stop with the line-by-line because I know your energy is too valuable to waste on me. (If you don't want to argue with me, why are you posting here?)</p>
  613.  
  614. <p>But if you're going to claim to be respectful to me while being obviously insulting and dismissive and saying "Don't fucking tone argument me", then you're really just looking for a fight, and that's not what I want.</p>
  615.  
  616. <p>I'll address the rest of your post if you want (I didn't because you obviously don't want me to). But if you aren't going to be nice to me or take me seriously, why should I talk to you?</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5592sh" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c558zk2" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c5592sh" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5592sh" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c5592sh" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c5598kk even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c5598kk" data-ups="6" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c5598kk"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;8cafbd1233a22bf1afb778390f519d707b0dcf3e&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="12"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;8cafbd1233a22bf1afb778390f519d707b0dcf3e&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="12"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="7"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/drunkenstatistician" class="author gray id-t2_63nj0">drunkenstatistician</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">5 points</span><span class="score unvoted">6 points</span><span class="score likes">7 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 11:34:45 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T11:34:45.574005+00:00">5 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(3 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/drunkenstatistician" class="author id-t2_63nj0 userTagged">drunkenstatistician</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="drunkenstatistician" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: none; ">[vw]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">5 points</span><span class="score unvoted">6 points</span><span class="score likes">7 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 12:34:45 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 11:34:45 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T11:34:45.574005+00:00">5 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">6</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">1</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c5598kk19y"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c5598kk"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><blockquote>
  617. <p>learn some manners.</p>
  618. </blockquote>
  619.  
  620. <p>Says the shitlord who says racist jokes in public forums.</p>
  621.  
  622. <blockquote>
  623. <p>You really think that's a respectful way to discuss something with someone who's approached you for a mature and civil argument? Seriously?</p>
  624. </blockquote>
  625.  
  626. <p>Stop acting like you are so high and fucking mighty. You make jokes at other people's expense and now you are asking for respect. Here is an idea, treat others with respect first.</p>
  627.  
  628. <blockquote>
  629. <p>Don't fucking tone argument me</p>
  630. </blockquote>
  631.  
  632. <p>They are saying that because you are not making any points. You are just using that to derail the argument.</p>
  633.  
  634. <blockquote>
  635. <p>But if you aren't going to be nice to me or take me seriously, why should I talk to you?</p>
  636. </blockquote>
  637.  
  638. <p>WHY SHOULD ANYONE BE NICE TO YOU?</p>
  639. </div>
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  641. <p>WHY SHOULD ANYONE BE NICE TO YOU?</p>
  642. </blockquote>
  643.  
  644. <p>I don't know. Maybe we should just be mean and hateful towards people we dislike and the world will become a better place. Is that what you're saying?</p>
  645.  
  646. <p>I find it hilariously ironic that someone who might say "Even if you have prejudices you should still be nice to people." (just making a guess) goes on to say to a shitlord "WHY SHOULD I BE NICE TO YOU?"</p>
  647.  
  648. <p>I hope that's not lost on you.</p>
  649.  
  650. <blockquote>
  651. <p>They are saying that because you are not making any points</p>
  652. </blockquote>
  653.  
  654. <p>Whoa, what? Link to <strong>any</strong> of my comments or posts in this thread and explain how I haven't made a point. I'd like to see you to do that.</p>
  655.  
  656. <p>Anyway, why should I respond to you when you treat me like this? I'll argue with you if that's what you want, but I'm not going to waste <em>my</em> energy on you if you aren't taking me seriously.</p>
  657. </div>
  658. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; WHY SHOULD ANYONE BE NICE TO YOU?
  659.  
  660. I don't know. Maybe we should just be mean and hateful towards people we dislike and the world will become a better place. Is that what you're saying?
  661.  
  662. I find it hilariously ironic that someone who might say "Even if you have prejudices you should still be nice to people." (just making a guess) goes on to say to a shitlord "WHY SHOULD I BE NICE TO YOU?"
  663.  
  664. I hope that's not lost on you.
  665.  
  666. &gt; They are saying that because you are not making any points
  667.  
  668. Whoa, what? Link to **any** of my comments or posts in this thread and explain how I haven't made a point. I'd like to see you to do that.
  669.  
  670. Anyway, why should I respond to you when you treat me like this? I'll argue with you if that's what you want, but I'm not going to waste *my* energy on you if you aren't taking me seriously.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  671.   <p>WHY SHOULD ANYONE BE NICE TO YOU?</p>
  672. </blockquote>
  673.  
  674. <p>I don't know. Maybe we should just be mean and hateful towards people we dislike and the world will become a better place. Is that what you're saying?</p>
  675.  
  676. <p>I find it hilariously ironic that someone who might say "Even if you have prejudices you should still be nice to people." (just making a guess) goes on to say to a shitlord "WHY SHOULD I BE NICE TO YOU?"</p>
  677.  
  678. <p>I hope that's not lost on you.</p>
  679.  
  680. <blockquote>
  681.   <p>They are saying that because you are not making any points</p>
  682. </blockquote>
  683.  
  684. <p>Whoa, what? Link to <strong>any</strong> of my comments or posts in this thread and explain how I haven't made a point. I'd like to see you to do that.</p>
  685.  
  686. <p>Anyway, why should I respond to you when you treat me like this? I'll argue with you if that's what you want, but I'm not going to waste <em>my</em> energy on you if you aren't taking me seriously.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5599i6" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c5598kk" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c5599i6" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5599i6" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c5599i6" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c5599yj even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c5599yj" data-ups="5" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c5599yj"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;f5e716070effc5470e53bbe77440b1dd0f312a1e&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="14"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;f5e716070effc5470e53bbe77440b1dd0f312a1e&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="14"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="9"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/drunkenstatistician" class="author gray id-t2_63nj0">drunkenstatistician</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">4 points</span><span class="score unvoted">5 points</span><span class="score likes">6 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 11:41:30 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T11:41:30.641662+00:00">5 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(1 child)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/drunkenstatistician" class="author id-t2_63nj0 userTagged">drunkenstatistician</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="drunkenstatistician" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: none; ">[vw]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">4 points</span><span class="score unvoted">5 points</span><span class="score likes">6 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 12:41:30 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 11:41:30 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T11:41:30.641662+00:00">5 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">5</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c5599yjo5b"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c5599yj"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>Because as you said. You treat other people like shit. You don't care about them. I ask you again, derailer, why would anyone treat you with respect when you do not do the same for others.</p>
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  689.  
  690. <blockquote>
  691. <p>Because as you said. You treat other people like shit.</p>
  692. </blockquote>
  693.  
  694. <p>I never said anything like this. You assumed it and accepted it as fact.</p>
  695.  
  696. <blockquote>
  697. <p>I ask you again, derailer [...]</p>
  698. </blockquote>
  699.  
  700. <p>Derailer? Are you saying that I'm trying to derail this thread by avoiding your arguments? I think you'll find that you're derailing this thread, not me.</p>
  701.  
  702. <p>You didn't actually tell me how I haven't made a point yet. That's a good place to start.</p>
  703.  
  704. <blockquote>
  705. <p>why would anyone treat you with respect when you do not do the same for others.</p>
  706. </blockquote>
  707.  
  708. <p>I think I'm being very respectful in this thread. If you think I'm not respectful on the whole because I make racist jokes, I disagree with that. And you'll never find out why I disagree if you just assume that I'm a disrespectful, ignorant person.</p>
  709.  
  710. <p>This is why I can't have a real discussion about this with you.</p>
  711.  
  712. <p>The reason you should be nice to me even though you don't like me (I thought this would be obvious to you) is that you should treat people nicely even if you don't like them. That's something I do all the time in my life.</p>
  713.  
  714. <p>I'm not trying to come off as "high and mighty", I'm just trying to be polite and mature. Stop finding reasons to insult me and actually argue a point.</p>
  715. </div>
  716. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">I really just want to let this particular comment thread die and ignore you, but I'll keep going because you do seem to have some interest in understanding shitlords (even if you are a huge jerk about it).
  717.  
  718. &gt; Because as you said. You treat other people like shit.
  719.  
  720. I never said anything like this. You assumed it and accepted it as fact.
  721.  
  722. &gt; I ask you again, derailer [...]
  723.  
  724. Derailer? Are you saying that I'm trying to derail this thread by avoiding your arguments? I think you'll find that you're derailing this thread, not me.
  725.  
  726. You didn't actually tell me how I haven't made a point yet. That's a good place to start.
  727.  
  728. &gt; why would anyone treat you with respect when you do not do the same for others.
  729.  
  730. I think I'm being very respectful in this thread. If you think I'm not respectful on the whole because I make racist jokes, I disagree with that. And you'll never find out why I disagree if you just assume that I'm a disrespectful, ignorant person.
  731.  
  732. This is why I can't have a real discussion about this with you.
  733.  
  734. The reason you should be nice to me even though you don't like me (I thought this would be obvious to you) is that you should treat people nicely even if you don't like them. That's something I do all the time in my life.
  735.  
  736. I'm not trying to come off as "high and mighty", I'm just trying to be polite and mature. Stop finding reasons to insult me and actually argue a point.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><p>I really just want to let this particular comment thread die and ignore you, but I'll keep going because you do seem to have some interest in understanding shitlords (even if you are a huge jerk about it).</p>
  737.  
  738. <blockquote>
  739.   <p>Because as you said. You treat other people like shit.</p>
  740. </blockquote>
  741.  
  742. <p>I never said anything like this. You assumed it and accepted it as fact.</p>
  743.  
  744. <blockquote>
  745.   <p>I ask you again, derailer [...]</p>
  746. </blockquote>
  747.  
  748. <p>Derailer? Are you saying that I'm trying to derail this thread by avoiding your arguments? I think you'll find that you're derailing this thread, not me.</p>
  749.  
  750. <p>You didn't actually tell me how I haven't made a point yet. That's a good place to start.</p>
  751.  
  752. <blockquote>
  753.   <p>why would anyone treat you with respect when you do not do the same for others.</p>
  754. </blockquote>
  755.  
  756. <p>I think I'm being very respectful in this thread. If you think I'm not respectful on the whole because I make racist jokes, I disagree with that. And you'll never find out why I disagree if you just assume that I'm a disrespectful, ignorant person.</p>
  757.  
  758. <p>This is why I can't have a real discussion about this with you.</p>
  759.  
  760. <p>The reason you should be nice to me even though you don't like me (I thought this would be obvious to you) is that you should treat people nicely even if you don't like them. That's something I do all the time in my life.</p>
  761.  
  762. <p>I'm not trying to come off as "high and mighty", I'm just trying to be polite and mature. Stop finding reasons to insult me and actually argue a point.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c559dqo" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c5599yj" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure? 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  763.  
  764. <p>Just gettin' it public.</p>
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  767.  
  768. <p>I mean what is your point? "I'm always going to be an asshole so stop calling me an asshole?" It's not like someone is sending you to shitlord jail and you need to fight for your right to say stupid shit (by saying more stupid shit). This is the endgame. Stop pissing people off and they'll stop talking to you about how much you piss them off. Or keep doing it and don't act surprised? Is it really that serious a problem that you can't go a few days without someone calling you on your bullshit?</p>
  769.  
  770. <p>You could pretty much end all of these conversations by saying "don't worry about me, I'm just a guy who doesn't care about people's feelings and never will." Conversation over. You did just ask, though, this time.</p>
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  773. <p>Some people find it entertaining to shame you and if you take offense to that, that's something you have to deal with.</p>
  774. </blockquote>
  775.  
  776. <p>I agree. Like I said in my OP, r/SRS has every right to exist, I'm just wondering why you guys do what you do.</p>
  777.  
  778. <blockquote>
  779. <p>I mean what is your point? "I'm always going to be an asshole so stop calling me an asshole?" It's not like someone is sending you to shitlord jail and you need to fight for your right to say stupid shit (by saying more stupid shit). This is the endgame. Stop pissing people off and they'll stop talking to you about how much you piss them off. Or keep doing it and don't act surprised? Is it really that serious a problem that you can't go a few days without someone calling you on your bullshit?</p>
  780. </blockquote>
  781.  
  782. <p>I'm happy to talk to you about this, but you don't have to be a dick to me. There's no reason to act like that towards someone who's trying to understand your viewpoint. It's hateful and unnecessary, and it's completely against the ideas that I thought SRS stood for.</p>
  783.  
  784. <p>Like I said in my OP, be respectful and civil towards me or I won't waste my time talking to you. I'm just asking that you don't call me an asshole or claim I say "stupid shit". It doesn't add to the argument at all and it makes me less inclined to want to discuss this with you.</p>
  785.  
  786. <p>Anyway, my point isn't "I want to be an asshole so stop calling me out on it." My point is that I find humour like this entertaining and I don't see a problem with posting it.</p>
  787.  
  788. <p>If people take offense to it, that's something they have to deal with. I try to be respectful and I won't make my jokes unnecessarily offensive or post them in inappropriate places, but why should I stop making jokes about sensitive topics completely, just because you don't like them?</p>
  789.  
  790. <blockquote>
  791. <p>You could pretty much end all of these conversations by saying "don't worry about me, I'm just a guy who doesn't care about people's feelings and never will." Conversation over. You did just ask, though, this time.</p>
  792. </blockquote>
  793.  
  794. <p>Yeah. Conversation over. Good one, you win.</p>
  795.  
  796. <p>If you can't discuss things maturely like an adult, you shouldn't be posting on reddit. Maybe in a circlejerk reddit like SRS it'd be ok, but you should know better than to act like a condescending asshole in a place like r/SRSRecovery.</p>
  797.  
  798. <p>Seriously, if you aren't willing to have an actual discussion with me, why are you posting in this thread?</p>
  799. </div>
  800. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; Some people find it entertaining to shame you and if you take offense to that, that's something you have to deal with.
  801.  
  802. I agree. Like I said in my OP, r/SRS has every right to exist, I'm just wondering why you guys do what you do.
  803.  
  804. &gt; I mean what is your point? "I'm always going to be an asshole so stop calling me an asshole?" It's not like someone is sending you to shitlord jail and you need to fight for your right to say stupid shit (by saying more stupid shit). This is the endgame. Stop pissing people off and they'll stop talking to you about how much you piss them off. Or keep doing it and don't act surprised? Is it really that serious a problem that you can't go a few days without someone calling you on your bullshit?
  805.  
  806. I'm happy to talk to you about this, but you don't have to be a dick to me. There's no reason to act like that towards someone who's trying to understand your viewpoint. It's hateful and unnecessary, and it's completely against the ideas that I thought SRS stood for.
  807.  
  808. Like I said in my OP, be respectful and civil towards me or I won't waste my time talking to you. I'm just asking that you don't call me an asshole or claim I say "stupid shit". It doesn't add to the argument at all and it makes me less inclined to want to discuss this with you.
  809.  
  810. Anyway, my point isn't "I want to be an asshole so stop calling me out on it." My point is that I find humour like this entertaining and I don't see a problem with posting it.
  811.  
  812. If people take offense to it, that's something they have to deal with. I try to be respectful and I won't make my jokes unnecessarily offensive or post them in inappropriate places, but why should I stop making jokes about sensitive topics completely, just because you don't like them?
  813.  
  814. &gt; You could pretty much end all of these conversations by saying "don't worry about me, I'm just a guy who doesn't care about people's feelings and never will." Conversation over. You did just ask, though, this time.
  815.  
  816. Yeah. Conversation over. Good one, you win.
  817.  
  818. If you can't discuss things maturely like an adult, you shouldn't be posting on reddit. Maybe in a circlejerk reddit like SRS it'd be ok, but you should know better than to act like a condescending asshole in a place like r/SRSRecovery.
  819.  
  820. Seriously, if you aren't willing to have an actual discussion with me, why are you posting in this thread?</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  821.   <p>Some people find it entertaining to shame you and if you take offense to that, that's something you have to deal with.</p>
  822. </blockquote>
  823.  
  824. <p>I agree. Like I said in my OP, r/SRS has every right to exist, I'm just wondering why you guys do what you do.</p>
  825.  
  826. <blockquote>
  827.   <p>I mean what is your point? "I'm always going to be an asshole so stop calling me an asshole?" It's not like someone is sending you to shitlord jail and you need to fight for your right to say stupid shit (by saying more stupid shit). This is the endgame. Stop pissing people off and they'll stop talking to you about how much you piss them off. Or keep doing it and don't act surprised? Is it really that serious a problem that you can't go a few days without someone calling you on your bullshit?</p>
  828. </blockquote>
  829.  
  830. <p>I'm happy to talk to you about this, but you don't have to be a dick to me. There's no reason to act like that towards someone who's trying to understand your viewpoint. It's hateful and unnecessary, and it's completely against the ideas that I thought SRS stood for.</p>
  831.  
  832. <p>Like I said in my OP, be respectful and civil towards me or I won't waste my time talking to you. I'm just asking that you don't call me an asshole or claim I say "stupid shit". It doesn't add to the argument at all and it makes me less inclined to want to discuss this with you.</p>
  833.  
  834. <p>Anyway, my point isn't "I want to be an asshole so stop calling me out on it." My point is that I find humour like this entertaining and I don't see a problem with posting it.</p>
  835.  
  836. <p>If people take offense to it, that's something they have to deal with. I try to be respectful and I won't make my jokes unnecessarily offensive or post them in inappropriate places, but why should I stop making jokes about sensitive topics completely, just because you don't like them?</p>
  837.  
  838. <blockquote>
  839.   <p>You could pretty much end all of these conversations by saying "don't worry about me, I'm just a guy who doesn't care about people's feelings and never will." Conversation over. You did just ask, though, this time.</p>
  840. </blockquote>
  841.  
  842. <p>Yeah. Conversation over. Good one, you win.</p>
  843.  
  844. <p>If you can't discuss things maturely like an adult, you shouldn't be posting on reddit. Maybe in a circlejerk reddit like SRS it'd be ok, but you should know better than to act like a condescending asshole in a place like r/SRSRecovery.</p>
  845.  
  846. <p>Seriously, if you aren't willing to have an actual discussion with me, why are you posting in this thread?</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5570xi" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c556rwe" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c5570xi" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5570xi" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c5570xi" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c557lc5 odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c557lc5" data-ups="3" data-downs="1"><p class="parent"><a name="c557lc5"></a></p><div class="midcol dislikes"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;7005f08e74f90c34aa28a8f61833b3ba5f3a60d0&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="19"></div><div class="arrow downmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;7005f08e74f90c34aa28a8f61833b3ba5f3a60d0&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="19"></div></div><div class="entry dislikes" keyindex="14"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/jajajajaj" class="author gray id-t2_3q51c">jajajajaj</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 06:50:15 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T06:50:15.766440+00:00">10 hours</time> ago<time class="edited-timestamp" title="last edited 10 hours ago" datetime="2012-06-25T06:54:21.765492+00:00">*</time>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(4 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/jajajajaj" class="author id-t2_3q51c userTagged">jajajajaj</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="jajajajaj" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(255, 247, 247); " title="your votes for jajajajaj: -1">[-1]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 07:50:15 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 06:50:15 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T06:50:15.766440+00:00">10 hours</time> ago<time class="edited-timestamp" title="last edited 10 hours ago" datetime="2012-06-25T06:54:21.765492+00:00">*</time> (<span class="res_comment_ups">3</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">1</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c557lc5igd"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c557lc5"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>It's a bit late for the high road. Take a look at some of the other posts in this subreddit and see if you can pick out the crucial aspect they have in common, which yours is lacking.</p>
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  849. <p>Take a look at some of the other posts in this subreddit and see if you can pick out the crucial aspect they have in common, which yours is lacking.</p>
  850. </blockquote>
  851.  
  852. <p>No, I'm at a loss. Could you please point out of some examples of what I said? I'm not trying to take the "high road", I'm just being civil, and I fail to see what inappropriate things I've said here. I don't think my post is inappropriate for this subreddit either.</p>
  853.  
  854. <p>I understand that SRSRecovery is for people who want to recover from their shitwizardry. But this post is to help me understand your point of view and be sympathetic towards your position. I don't see a problem with posting it here.</p>
  855.  
  856. <p>Why is this post (or anything else I've said) inappropriate for this subreddit?</p>
  857. </div>
  858. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; Take a look at some of the other posts in this subreddit and see if you can pick out the crucial aspect they have in common, which yours is lacking.
  859.  
  860. No, I'm at a loss. Could you please point out of some examples of what I said? I'm not trying to take the "high road", I'm just being civil, and I fail to see what inappropriate things I've said here. I don't think my post is inappropriate for this subreddit either.
  861.  
  862. I understand that SRSRecovery is for people who want to recover from their shitwizardry. But this post is to help me understand your point of view and be sympathetic towards your position. I don't see a problem with posting it here.
  863.  
  864. Why is this post (or anything else I've said) inappropriate for this subreddit?</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  865.   <p>Take a look at some of the other posts in this subreddit and see if you can pick out the crucial aspect they have in common, which yours is lacking.</p>
  866. </blockquote>
  867.  
  868. <p>No, I'm at a loss. Could you please point out of some examples of what I said? I'm not trying to take the "high road", I'm just being civil, and I fail to see what inappropriate things I've said here. I don't think my post is inappropriate for this subreddit either.</p>
  869.  
  870. <p>I understand that SRSRecovery is for people who want to recover from their shitwizardry. But this post is to help me understand your point of view and be sympathetic towards your position. I don't see a problem with posting it here.</p>
  871.  
  872. <p>Why is this post (or anything else I've said) inappropriate for this subreddit?</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557n6h" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c557lc5" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c557n6h" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557n6h" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c557n6h" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c557nzv odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c557nzv" data-ups="3" data-downs="1"><p class="parent"><a name="c557nzv"></a></p><div class="midcol dislikes"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;39066d55e48f49bf0354408e76f16ebf1ddc01e1&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="21"></div><div class="arrow downmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;39066d55e48f49bf0354408e76f16ebf1ddc01e1&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="21"></div></div><div class="entry dislikes" keyindex="16"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/jajajajaj" class="author gray id-t2_3q51c">jajajajaj</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 06:59:11 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T06:59:11.657268+00:00">10 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(2 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/jajajajaj" class="author id-t2_3q51c userTagged">jajajajaj</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="jajajajaj" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(255, 247, 247); " title="your votes for jajajajaj: -1">[-1]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 07:59:11 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 06:59:11 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T06:59:11.657268+00:00">10 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">3</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">1</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c557nzvpt9"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c557nzv"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>I don't know, try <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/homeworkhelp" rel="nofollow" class=" imgScanned">/r/homeworkhelp</a></p>
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  874. </div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557nzv" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c557n6h" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><form class="toggle report-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="reported"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">report</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;report&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c557nzv" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557nzv" saveuser="jajajajaj"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c557nzv" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c557pxa odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c557pxa" data-ups="1" data-downs="4"><p class="parent"><a name="c557pxa"></a></p><div class="midcol likes"><div class="arrow upmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;65f16e897fb0455bc6caaca838d26c8f880d62d4&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="22"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;65f16e897fb0455bc6caaca838d26c8f880d62d4&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="22"></div></div><div class="entry likes" keyindex="17"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/haddock420" class="author gray submitter id-t2_3nhn2">haddock420</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="submitter" title="submitter" href="./shitlordery_files/shitlordery.htm">S</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes">-5 points</span><span class="score unvoted">-4 points</span><span class="score likes">-3 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 07:05:52 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T07:05:52.170843+00:00">9 hours</time> ago<time class="edited-timestamp" title="last edited 9 hours ago" datetime="2012-06-25T07:23:39.408073+00:00">*</time>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(1 child)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/haddock420" class="author submitter id-t2_3nhn2 userTagged">haddock420</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="haddock420" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(151, 255, 151); " title="your votes for haddock420: +13">[+13]</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="submitter" title="submitter" href="./shitlordery_files/shitlordery.htm">S</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes">-5 points</span><span class="score unvoted">-4 points</span><span class="score likes">-3 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 08:05:52 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 07:05:52 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T07:05:52.170843+00:00">9 hours</time> ago<time class="edited-timestamp" title="last edited 9 hours ago" datetime="2012-06-25T07:23:39.408073+00:00">*</time> (<span class="res_comment_ups">1</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">4</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c557pxathb"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c557pxa"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>I'll go do that.</p>
  875.  
  876. <p>Really though, stick to r/SRS if you're not mature enough to answer my question, or even reply to me without being insulting.</p>
  877.  
  878. <p>You might not like shitlords, but that's no reason to be an asshole to them.</p>
  879.  
  880. <p>I'm done with replying to you. You obviously aren't open to talking about this reasonably, so I don't see why I should bother trying.</p>
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  882. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">I'll go do that.
  883.  
  884. Really though, stick to r/SRS if you're not mature enough to answer my question, or even reply to me without being insulting.
  885.  
  886. You might not like shitlords, but that's no reason to be an asshole to them.
  887.  
  888. I'm done with replying to you. You obviously aren't open to talking about this reasonably, so I don't see why I should bother trying.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><p>I'll go do that.</p>
  889.  
  890. <p>Really though, stick to r/SRS if you're not mature enough to answer my question, or even reply to me without being insulting.</p>
  891.  
  892. <p>You might not like shitlords, but that's no reason to be an asshole to them.</p>
  893.  
  894. <p>I'm done with replying to you. You obviously aren't open to talking about this reasonably, so I don't see why I should bother trying.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557pxa" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c557nzv" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c557pxa" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557pxa" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c557pxa" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c55bdxr even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c55bdxr" data-ups="1" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c55bdxr"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;c610d4350d97027877a274f279386a5f319d02d5&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="23"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;c610d4350d97027877a274f279386a5f319d02d5&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="23"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="18"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/thelittleking" class="author gray moderator id-t2_5cvix">thelittleking</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="moderator" title="moderator of /r/SRSRecovery, speaking officially" href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/about/moderators">M</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 15:21:31 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T15:21:31.515645+00:00">1 hour</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(0 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/thelittleking" class="author moderator id-t2_5cvix userTagged">thelittleking</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="thelittleking" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(247, 255, 247); " title="your votes for thelittleking: +1">[+1]</a><span class="userattrs">[<a class="moderator" title="moderator of /r/SRSRecovery, speaking officially" href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/about/moderators">M</a>]</span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 16:21:31 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 15:21:31 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T15:21:31.515645+00:00">1 hour</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">1</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c55bdxrofk"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c55bdxr"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>You may not like it, but jajajajaj is 100% correct. His flippancy is about 85% justified right now, given that this post doesn't fit the bill of the sub coupled with the fact that you've "come here to learn!" and then continue to be unwilling to do so, and argumentative to boot.</p>
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  897.  
  898. <p>You make no sense. Empathy. Get some.</p>
  899.  
  900. <p>You can behave however you wish. However, I'm free to think you're a total arsehole as a result and tell you that loudly. Do you really want people thinking you're a total arsehole? If not, try acting differently.</p>
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  903. <p>If you don't like us mocking people who make racist jokes and rape jokes, why can't you just keep that to yourself and let us get on with it?</p>
  904. </blockquote>
  905.  
  906. <p>I don't like it, but I don't think you should stop doing it. If you enjoy doing it and find humour in mocking 'shitlords' then go for it. Just understand that the 'shitlords' you're mocking won't like it.</p>
  907.  
  908. <blockquote>
  909. <p>Empathy. Get some.</p>
  910. </blockquote>
  911.  
  912. <p>I have empathy, but it doesn't extend as far as making me not want to joke about taboo subjects I find funny. I don't find the idea of a stranger I don't know reading what I wrote on a public forum and taking offense to it something that is my problem. It may be distasteful and not PC at all, but I don't see a problem with it. If people get offended, that's their issue.</p>
  913.  
  914. <p>Not trying to be mean or anything, but I think it's unreasonable to expect me to consider the feelings of someone I don't know who's reading a public forum.</p>
  915.  
  916. <p>If they really don't want to see that stuff, they should avoid public forums. If they want to continue using public forums, they should know that that content is there.</p>
  917.  
  918. <blockquote>
  919. <p>You can behave however you wish. However, I'm free to think you're a total arsehole as a result and tell you that loudly. Do you really want people thinking you're a total arsehole? If not, try acting differently.</p>
  920. </blockquote>
  921.  
  922. <p>I know you think I'm an arsehole but I'm just trying to find out why. I don't doubt that you hate me, and I can see why you would. I just want to know why you believe it so vehemently. You have every right to hate me, but I'd rather you didn't. Why do you harbour so much hate and resentment towards people who make insulting jokes?</p>
  923.  
  924. <p>Your "If you act like an arsehole, don't be surprised when people think you're an arsehole" argument applies to SRS too. I'm not saying I hate you guys (I try not to), but you get defensive when people question your motives, is it hard to see why people might think you're hypocritical about the way SRS acts and think that you too might be a bunch of arseholes?</p>
  925. </div>
  926. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; If you don't like us mocking people who make racist jokes and rape jokes, why can't you just keep that to yourself and let us get on with it?
  927.  
  928. I don't like it, but I don't think you should stop doing it. If you enjoy doing it and find humour in mocking 'shitlords' then go for it. Just understand that the 'shitlords' you're mocking won't like it.
  929.  
  930. &gt;  Empathy. Get some.
  931.  
  932. I have empathy, but it doesn't extend as far as making me not want to joke about taboo subjects I find funny. I don't find the idea of a stranger I don't know reading what I wrote on a public forum and taking offense to it something that is my problem. It may be distasteful and not PC at all, but I don't see a problem with it. If people get offended, that's their issue.
  933.  
  934. Not trying to be mean or anything, but I think it's unreasonable to expect me to consider the feelings of someone I don't know who's reading a public forum.
  935.  
  936. If they really don't want to see that stuff, they should avoid public forums. If they want to continue using public forums, they should know that that content is there.
  937.  
  938. &gt; You can behave however you wish. However, I'm free to think you're a total arsehole as a result and tell you that loudly. Do you really want people thinking you're a total arsehole? If not, try acting differently.
  939.  
  940. I know you think I'm an arsehole but I'm just trying to find out why. I don't doubt that you hate me, and I can see why you would. I just want to know why you believe it so vehemently. You have every right to hate me, but I'd rather you didn't. Why do you harbour so much hate and resentment towards people who make insulting jokes?
  941.  
  942. Your "If you act like an arsehole, don't be surprised when people think you're an arsehole" argument applies to SRS too. I'm not saying I hate you guys (I try not to), but you get defensive when people question your motives, is it hard to see why people might think you're hypocritical about the way SRS acts and think that you too might be a bunch of arseholes?</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  943.   <p>If you don't like us mocking people who make racist jokes and rape jokes, why can't you just keep that to yourself and let us get on with it?</p>
  944. </blockquote>
  945.  
  946. <p>I don't like it, but I don't think you should stop doing it. If you enjoy doing it and find humour in mocking 'shitlords' then go for it. Just understand that the 'shitlords' you're mocking won't like it.</p>
  947.  
  948. <blockquote>
  949.   <p>Empathy. Get some.</p>
  950. </blockquote>
  951.  
  952. <p>I have empathy, but it doesn't extend as far as making me not want to joke about taboo subjects I find funny. I don't find the idea of a stranger I don't know reading what I wrote on a public forum and taking offense to it something that is my problem. It may be distasteful and not PC at all, but I don't see a problem with it. If people get offended, that's their issue.</p>
  953.  
  954. <p>Not trying to be mean or anything, but I think it's unreasonable to expect me to consider the feelings of someone I don't know who's reading a public forum.</p>
  955.  
  956. <p>If they really don't want to see that stuff, they should avoid public forums. If they want to continue using public forums, they should know that that content is there.</p>
  957.  
  958. <blockquote>
  959.   <p>You can behave however you wish. However, I'm free to think you're a total arsehole as a result and tell you that loudly. Do you really want people thinking you're a total arsehole? If not, try acting differently.</p>
  960. </blockquote>
  961.  
  962. <p>I know you think I'm an arsehole but I'm just trying to find out why. I don't doubt that you hate me, and I can see why you would. I just want to know why you believe it so vehemently. You have every right to hate me, but I'd rather you didn't. Why do you harbour so much hate and resentment towards people who make insulting jokes?</p>
  963.  
  964. <p>Your "If you act like an arsehole, don't be surprised when people think you're an arsehole" argument applies to SRS too. I'm not saying I hate you guys (I try not to), but you get defensive when people question your motives, is it hard to see why people might think you're hypocritical about the way SRS acts and think that you too might be a bunch of arseholes?</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c55980h" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c556ec2" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c55980h" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c55980h" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c55980h" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c559y3m even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c559y3m" data-ups="3" data-downs="1"><p class="parent"><a name="c559y3m"></a></p><div class="midcol dislikes"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;70d7a530f3fe33f8fdf4f8e39a99802d450926b4&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="26"></div><div class="arrow downmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;70d7a530f3fe33f8fdf4f8e39a99802d450926b4&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="26"></div></div><div class="entry dislikes" keyindex="21"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/ibowls" class="author gray id-t2_7agx1">ibowls</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 13:15:49 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T13:15:49.839077+00:00">3 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(0 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/ibowls" class="author id-t2_7agx1 userTagged">ibowls</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="ibowls" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: none; ">[vw]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 14:15:49 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 13:15:49 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T13:15:49.839077+00:00">3 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">3</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">1</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c559y3mng0"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c559y3m"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><blockquote>
  965. <p>I don't like it, but I don't think you should stop doing it. If you enjoy doing it and find humour in mocking 'shitlords' then go for it. Just understand that the 'shitlords' you're mocking won't like it.</p>
  966. </blockquote>
  967.  
  968. <p>Why do you expect us to care if whether they like it or not?</p>
  969.  
  970. <blockquote>
  971. <p>I have empathy, but it doesn't extend as far as making me not want to joke about taboo subjects I find funny.</p>
  972. </blockquote>
  973.  
  974. <p>You say you have empathy, and then you continue into showing us that you don't give a fucking shit about other people. I don't think empathy means what you think it means, bro.</p>
  975.  
  976. <p>Also, talking about rape is not "taboo". That's another word that doesn't mean what you think it means.</p>
  977.  
  978. <p>"A taboo is a vehement prohibition of an action based on the belief that such behavior is either too sacred or too accursed for ordinary individuals to undertake, under threat of supernatural punishment."</p>
  979.  
  980. <p>Joking about rape is not "taboo" - it's just you ignoring the fact that statistically, 1 out of every 4 women that you know has either been raped or suffered attempted rape.</p>
  981.  
  982. <blockquote>
  983. <p>If they really don't want to see that stuff, they should avoid public forums. If they want to continue using public forums, they should know that that content is there.</p>
  984. </blockquote>
  985.  
  986. <p>ok up to this point I was <em>trying</em> to, like, care about your question and not dismiss you completely as a zero-empathy asshole piece of shit incapable of caring about people...</p>
  987.  
  988. <blockquote>
  989. <p>I don't doubt that you hate me, and I can see why you would.</p>
  990. </blockquote>
  991.  
  992. <p>Glad we're on the same page now get out.</p>
  993.  
  994. <p>NO WAIT, before you leave:</p>
  995.  
  996. <blockquote>
  997. <p>is it hard to see why people might think you're hypocritical about the way SRS acts and think that you too might be a bunch of arseholes</p>
  998. </blockquote>
  999.  
  1000. <p>Fuck you. You don't come here asking for help and then calling us a bunch of hypocritical assholes.</p>
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  1005.  
  1006. <p>I'll try to explain it without using upsetting/offensive examples, but be warned that some of the jokes might upset you.</p>
  1007.  
  1008. <p>A lot of people here take offensive to disparaging language and slurs being used casually. For example, my friend might be playing a video game and say "You gonna get raped on this next level, man." or "We should call this track the Rapery because you get raped here so often."</p>
  1009.  
  1010. <p>I know that you wouldn't find any humour in these jokes, so it'd be hard to understand why we find them funny.</p>
  1011.  
  1012. <p>I think it's because of how extreme and taboo the topic of rape is. </p>
  1013.  
  1014. <p>It's like the famous Mike Tyson video where he's trash talking an opponent. He threatens to rape him as part of his barrage of insults. He wasn't actually threatening to rape him or trying to offend rape victims. In the heat of the moment, he wanted to use strong language to intimidate his opponent and a threat about rape was an effective way of doing it.</p>
  1015.  
  1016. <p>This is the video if anyone's interested. <strong>WARNING: VERY OFFENSIVE CONTENT!</strong> (Racist/Sexist/Homophobic language): <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx66LWV-CCk" rel="nofollow" class=" imgScanned">here</a></p>
  1017.  
  1018. <p>I'm not saying we shouldn't be considerate of people who are sensitive to these issues. We absolutely should take care with what we say if it might upset someone. But I don't think making rape jokes on reddit is crossing any line. It's a large forum where most people don't mind those kind of jokes, and a lot of them find them entertaining.</p>
  1019.  
  1020. <p>I just don't see why you feel the need to have a subreddit like SRS to mock these people and make insulting jokes about their ignorance (at least, what you perceive as ignorance). I understand it's a tactic of "bullying the bullies", but isn't it hypocritical to approach it in this way?</p>
  1021.  
  1022. <p>I guess I just don't understand SRS well. Is it a place for you to blow off steam after reading comments like that? If so then I could understand that. It must be frustrating to read an offensive joke if the content is personal to you. </p>
  1023.  
  1024. <p>Or is SRS more of an effort to change the way reddit acts? Like to discourage hurtful/ignorant language and content? If that's the case then I don't see why you've approached it this way. Surely there's a better way of doing that than "bullying the bullies"?</p>
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  1026. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">It's hard to describe why I find jokes about rape entertaining without actually using those jokes as examples.
  1027.  
  1028. I'll try to explain it without using upsetting/offensive examples, but be warned that some of the jokes might upset you.
  1029.  
  1030. A lot of people here take offensive to disparaging language and slurs being used casually. For example, my friend might be playing a video game and say "You gonna get raped on this next level, man." or "We should call this track the Rapery because you get raped here so often."
  1031.  
  1032. I know that you wouldn't find any humour in these jokes, so it'd be hard to understand why we find them funny.
  1033.  
  1034. I think it's because of how extreme and taboo the topic of rape is.
  1035.  
  1036. It's like the famous Mike Tyson video where he's trash talking an opponent. He threatens to rape him as part of his barrage of insults. He wasn't actually threatening to rape him or trying to offend rape victims. In the heat of the moment, he wanted to use strong language to intimidate his opponent and a threat about rape was an effective way of doing it.
  1037.  
  1038. This is the video if anyone's interested. **WARNING: VERY OFFENSIVE CONTENT!** (Racist/Sexist/Homophobic language): [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx66LWV-CCk)
  1039.  
  1040. I'm not saying we shouldn't be considerate of people who are sensitive to these issues. We absolutely should take care with what we say if it might upset someone. But I don't think making rape jokes on reddit is crossing any line. It's a large forum where most people don't mind those kind of jokes, and a lot of them find them entertaining.
  1041.  
  1042. I just don't see why you feel the need to have a subreddit like SRS to mock these people and make insulting jokes about their ignorance (at least, what you perceive as ignorance). I understand it's a tactic of "bullying the bullies", but isn't it hypocritical to approach it in this way?
  1043.  
  1044. I guess I just don't understand SRS well. Is it a place for you to blow off steam after reading comments like that? If so then I could understand that. It must be frustrating to read an offensive joke if the content is personal to you.
  1045.  
  1046. Or is SRS more of an effort to change the way reddit acts? Like to discourage hurtful/ignorant language and content? If that's the case then I don't see why you've approached it this way. Surely there's a better way of doing that than "bullying the bullies"?</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><p>It's hard to describe why I find jokes about rape entertaining without actually using those jokes as examples. </p>
  1047.  
  1048. <p>I'll try to explain it without using upsetting/offensive examples, but be warned that some of the jokes might upset you.</p>
  1049.  
  1050. <p>A lot of people here take offensive to disparaging language and slurs being used casually. For example, my friend might be playing a video game and say "You gonna get raped on this next level, man." or "We should call this track the Rapery because you get raped here so often."</p>
  1051.  
  1052. <p>I know that you wouldn't find any humour in these jokes, so it'd be hard to understand why we find them funny.</p>
  1053.  
  1054. <p>I think it's because of how extreme and taboo the topic of rape is. </p>
  1055.  
  1056. <p>It's like the famous Mike Tyson video where he's trash talking an opponent. He threatens to rape him as part of his barrage of insults. He wasn't actually threatening to rape him or trying to offend rape victims. In the heat of the moment, he wanted to use strong language to intimidate his opponent and a threat about rape was an effective way of doing it.</p>
  1057.  
  1058. <p>This is the video if anyone's interested. <strong>WARNING: VERY OFFENSIVE CONTENT!</strong> (Racist/Sexist/Homophobic language): <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx66LWV-CCk">here</a></p>
  1059.  
  1060. <p>I'm not saying we shouldn't be considerate of people who are sensitive to these issues. We absolutely should take care with what we say if it might upset someone. But I don't think making rape jokes on reddit is crossing any line. It's a large forum where most people don't mind those kind of jokes, and a lot of them find them entertaining.</p>
  1061.  
  1062. <p>I just don't see why you feel the need to have a subreddit like SRS to mock these people and make insulting jokes about their ignorance (at least, what you perceive as ignorance). I understand it's a tactic of "bullying the bullies", but isn't it hypocritical to approach it in this way?</p>
  1063.  
  1064. <p>I guess I just don't understand SRS well. Is it a place for you to blow off steam after reading comments like that? If so then I could understand that. It must be frustrating to read an offensive joke if the content is personal to you. </p>
  1065.  
  1066. <p>Or is SRS more of an effort to change the way reddit acts? Like to discourage hurtful/ignorant language and content? If that's the case then I don't see why you've approached it this way. Surely there's a better way of doing that than "bullying the bullies"?</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5557zx" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c554t0x" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c5557zx" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c5557zx" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c5557zx" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c55cd21 odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c55cd21" data-ups="1" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c55cd21"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;28604b5b01edb7daf8cc394fa109afcde2b617ca&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="29"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;28604b5b01edb7daf8cc394fa109afcde2b617ca&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="29"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="24"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nobiscuitsinthesnow" class="author gray id-t2_3tlev">nobiscuitsinthesnow</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 16:28:00 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T16:28:00.731025+00:00">35 minutes</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(0 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nobiscuitsinthesnow" class="author id-t2_3tlev userTagged">nobiscuitsinthesnow</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="nobiscuitsinthesnow" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: none; ">[vw]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 17:28:00 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 16:28:00 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T16:28:00.731025+00:00">35 minutes</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">1</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c55cd21e7k"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c55cd21"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>Are you seriously using an illustration of an <em>actual rapist</em> using rape threats to show how okay it is????? Jesus fuck what is wrong with you.</p>
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  1069.  
  1070. <p>(i don't have a lot to say about rape humour because both you and mike tyson appear to understand that rape is a really truly unbelievably horrible thing, i'm sure mike tyson was trying to be as offensive as possible, and it seems disingenuous to claim that you're not trying to be offensive when that's clearly the entire reason why it's funny to you)</p>
  1071.  
  1072. <blockquote>
  1073. <p>I'm not saying we shouldn't be considerate of people who are sensitive to these issues. We absolutely should take care with what we say if it might upset someone. But I don't think making rape jokes on reddit is crossing any line. It's a large forum where most people don't mind those kind of jokes, and a lot of them find them entertaining.</p>
  1074. </blockquote>
  1075.  
  1076. <p>saying that "most people don't mind" means that some people do mind, so why not take care with what you say for that minority</p>
  1077.  
  1078. <p>here's what i think SRS is: it's where that minority who doesn't find them entertaining goes to not feel bad or to not feel terrible or to not relive terrible things that have happened to them because of these jokes goes</p>
  1079.  
  1080. <p>it's not our responsibility to explain to you why your joke makes us feel terrible, it's your responsibility as a decent human being to both understand why the things you say are harmful and to have the empathy to not want to cause harm to marginalized peoples</p>
  1081.  
  1082. <blockquote>
  1083. <p>I just don't see why you feel the need to have a subreddit like SRS to mock these people and make insulting jokes about their ignorance (at least, what you perceive as ignorance). I understand it's a tactic of "bullying the bullies", but isn't it hypocritical to approach it in this way?</p>
  1084. </blockquote>
  1085.  
  1086. <p>it's not hypocritical because there isn't really a history of people who say shitty things about other people being oppressed by the people who are hurt or harmed by those things, in fact it is actually pretty much the exact opposite</p>
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  1089. <p>We absolutely should take care with what we say if it might upset someone.</p>
  1090. </blockquote>
  1091.  
  1092. <p>And how do you know that it won't upset someone when you post a rape joke on reddit? Because most people don't mind them, does that make them okay? Why? What is okay about making a mockery of rape, something which is very real and traumatic to people? <a href="http://oforganon.tumblr.com/post/11150747104/to-all-those-men-who-dont-think-the-rape-jokes-are-a" class=" imgScanned">This</a> article is also very important. It's short, read it.</p>
  1093.  
  1094. <blockquote>
  1095. <p>Or is SRS more of an effort to change the way reddit acts? Like to discourage hurtful/ignorant language and content? If that's the case then I don't see why you've approached it this way. Surely there's a better way of doing that than "bullying the bullies"?</p>
  1096. </blockquote>
  1097.  
  1098. <p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/v5agw/always_hated_this_stupid_marilyn_monroe_quote/c51iij0" class=" imgScanned">This</a> is one way of looking at SRS.</p>
  1099. </div>
  1100. </div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c555uur" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c5557zx" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><form class="toggle report-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="reported"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">report</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;report&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c555uur" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c555uur" saveuser="KillIndividualWill"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"></div><div class="clearleft"><!--IE6sux--></div></div><div class="clearleft"><!--IE6sux--></div><div class="thing id-t1_c555sba even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c555sba" data-ups="2" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c555sba"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;5dda190a0d514438776e86edd5249892f7be808a&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="32"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;5dda190a0d514438776e86edd5249892f7be808a&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="32"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="27"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/amphetaminelogic" class="author gray id-t2_6xdm8">amphetaminelogic</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">1 point</span><span class="score unvoted">2 points</span><span class="score likes">3 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 04:06:51 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T04:06:51.878076+00:00">12 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(4 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/amphetaminelogic" class="author id-t2_6xdm8 userTagged">amphetaminelogic</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="amphetaminelogic" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(247, 255, 247); " title="your votes for amphetaminelogic: +1">[+1]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">1 point</span><span class="score unvoted">2 points</span><span class="score likes">3 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 05:06:51 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 04:06:51 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T04:06:51.878076+00:00">12 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">2</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c555sbaf9q"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c555sba"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>Personally, I don't give a shit if you change or not - everyone must decide for themselves what kind of person they want to be, and this is apparently the kind of person you've chosen to be, so...there you go. Now, that doesn't mean I'm not going to point it out when you or anyone else is treating others poorly, though, but that's because that's the kind of person <em>I've</em> chosen to be.</p>
  1101.  
  1102. <p>We're not trying to change or fix Reddit, and what we <em>are</em> doing is really not that hard to figure out if people would stop flailing the light fantastic for 5 seconds and fucking <em>read.</em> SRSPrime is simply a space for marginalized people to blow off steam over the myriad bullshit they have to put up with from the folk that think we're all humorless bitches that should just get over it and stop ruining everyone else's whimsical sexual assault fun (or racism fun or ableism fun, etc).</p>
  1103.  
  1104. <p>Otherwise, you're answering your own questions here, so I'm not sure what you're actually trying to accomplish with this. You <em>know</em> why people use the word "rape" to refer to someone's video game performance or why Mike Tyson would use that word as an intimidation toward an opponent. I know you know, because you've alluded to it already, but it doesn't seem to matter to you that saying these things hurts other people and perpetuates rape culture, so...what's the point of this post?</p>
  1105.  
  1106. <p>Edit because I messed up a sentence.</p>
  1107. </div>
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  1109. <p>Personally, I don't give a shit if you change or not - everyone must decide for themselves what kind of person they want to be, and this is apparently the kind of person you've chosen to be, so...there you go.</p>
  1110. </blockquote>
  1111.  
  1112. <p>It's not that I've chosen to be this way. I've grown up around racist/sexist jokes and consider them normal. It wasn't until I got older and found that people took offense to them that I thought they might not be appropriate all the time.</p>
  1113.  
  1114. <p>It wasn't until I met SRS that I realized some people feel passionately about it and take serious offense to this kind of casual racism/sexism.</p>
  1115.  
  1116. <p>I think it's wrong to say I chose this behavior. I grew up with it, so it comes naturally to me. I'm now trying to understand if/why it's wrong and you seem like the best people to ask.</p>
  1117.  
  1118. <p>It's difficult to talk to you guys on a reasonable level when we both disagree on so much, but I found this thread has helped me understand you guys.</p>
  1119.  
  1120. <blockquote>
  1121. <p>You know why people use the word "rape" to refer to someone's video game performance or why Mike Tyson would use that word as an intimidation toward an opponent. I know you know, because you've alluded to it already, but it doesn't seem to matter to you that saying these things hurts other people and perpetuates rape culture, so...what's the point of this post?</p>
  1122. </blockquote>
  1123.  
  1124. <p>I think I know why people use those kind of jokes, but you obviously have a different idea. Can you tell me why you think I use these kind of jokes?</p>
  1125.  
  1126. <p>I'll explain why I think I use them too, but I'd like to know your view on it.</p>
  1127. </div>
  1128. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; Personally, I don't give a shit if you change or not - everyone must decide for themselves what kind of person they want to be, and this is apparently the kind of person you've chosen to be, so...there you go.
  1129.  
  1130. It's not that I've chosen to be this way. I've grown up around racist/sexist jokes and consider them normal. It wasn't until I got older and found that people took offense to them that I thought they might not be appropriate all the time.
  1131.  
  1132. It wasn't until I met SRS that I realized some people feel passionately about it and take serious offense to this kind of casual racism/sexism.
  1133.  
  1134. I think it's wrong to say I chose this behavior. I grew up with it, so it comes naturally to me. I'm now trying to understand if/why it's wrong and you seem like the best people to ask.
  1135.  
  1136. It's difficult to talk to you guys on a reasonable level when we both disagree on so much, but I found this thread has helped me understand you guys.
  1137.  
  1138. &gt; You know why people use the word "rape" to refer to someone's video game performance or why Mike Tyson would use that word as an intimidation toward an opponent. I know you know, because you've alluded to it already, but it doesn't seem to matter to you that saying these things hurts other people and perpetuates rape culture, so...what's the point of this post?
  1139.  
  1140. I think I know why people use those kind of jokes, but you obviously have a different idea. Can you tell me why you think I use these kind of jokes?
  1141.  
  1142. I'll explain why I think I use them too, but I'd like to know your view on it.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  1143.   <p>Personally, I don't give a shit if you change or not - everyone must decide for themselves what kind of person they want to be, and this is apparently the kind of person you've chosen to be, so...there you go.</p>
  1144. </blockquote>
  1145.  
  1146. <p>It's not that I've chosen to be this way. I've grown up around racist/sexist jokes and consider them normal. It wasn't until I got older and found that people took offense to them that I thought they might not be appropriate all the time.</p>
  1147.  
  1148. <p>It wasn't until I met SRS that I realized some people feel passionately about it and take serious offense to this kind of casual racism/sexism.</p>
  1149.  
  1150. <p>I think it's wrong to say I chose this behavior. I grew up with it, so it comes naturally to me. I'm now trying to understand if/why it's wrong and you seem like the best people to ask.</p>
  1151.  
  1152. <p>It's difficult to talk to you guys on a reasonable level when we both disagree on so much, but I found this thread has helped me understand you guys.</p>
  1153.  
  1154. <blockquote>
  1155.   <p>You know why people use the word "rape" to refer to someone's video game performance or why Mike Tyson would use that word as an intimidation toward an opponent. I know you know, because you've alluded to it already, but it doesn't seem to matter to you that saying these things hurts other people and perpetuates rape culture, so...what's the point of this post?</p>
  1156. </blockquote>
  1157.  
  1158. <p>I think I know why people use those kind of jokes, but you obviously have a different idea. Can you tell me why you think I use these kind of jokes?</p>
  1159.  
  1160. <p>I'll explain why I think I use them too, but I'd like to know your view on it.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c559fz7" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c555sba" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c559fz7" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c559fz7" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c559fz7" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c559jvf even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c559jvf" data-ups="3" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c559jvf"></a></p><div class="midcol likes"><div class="arrow upmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;1677518589a81c92f50daa267374d9548a11a860&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="34"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;1677518589a81c92f50daa267374d9548a11a860&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="34"></div></div><div class="entry likes" keyindex="29"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/RosieLalala" class="author gray id-t2_3odib">RosieLalala</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">1 point</span><span class="score unvoted">2 points</span><span class="score likes">3 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 12:25:17 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T12:25:17.632112+00:00">4 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(1 child)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/RosieLalala" class="author id-t2_3odib userTagged">RosieLalala</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="RosieLalala" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(239, 255, 239); " title="your votes for RosieLalala: +2">[+2]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">1 point</span><span class="score unvoted">2 points</span><span class="score likes">3 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 13:25:17 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 12:25:17 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T12:25:17.632112+00:00">4 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">3</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c559jvfv15"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c559jvf"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>Why are they used? Because the culture (that we're fighting against) says that it's okay. This is the same culture that until recently enslaved thousands of people against their will. This is the same culture that only a century ago held women as property and as such gave women about as many rights as a dog or a cow or a cabbage. Change takes time, and we'll drag this culture forward kicking and screaming if that's what it takes!</p>
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  1165.  
  1166. <p>People use "rape" in the instances you outlined precisely because <em>no one wants to be raped</em> - rape is a horrifying thing. It's a violation, it takes away your bodily autonomy, it hurts both physically and mentally, it leaves you feeling dirty, worthless, used and in pain. Otherwise, it wouldn't work as a threat. Mike Tyson chose that as an intimidation precisely because it <em>is</em> so intimidating, and it's no coincidence that your friend uses "rape" to refer to what happens to you when someone else beats you badly in a video game, because why? Because it implies you've been knocked down, put in your place, beaten, subjugated, made weak, forced to take an outcome that you wouldn't have otherwise chosen for yourself, forced to accept someone else's domination of you and over you, <em>made to take it whether you like it or not</em> - and who wants anything like <em>that</em> to happen to them? Much better to be the rap<em>ist</em>, doing that to everyone else, right? The one doing the raping in the game is the superior one, the strong one, the <em>better</em> one, because he can win and you're not good enough to stop him. Or, depending on the friend, perhaps he's just implying you're a pussy, with all the attendant ridiculous sexist societal connotations that go along with men using euphemisms for female genitalia to insult each other, because, well, being a <em>woman,</em> how awful and insulting is <em>that</em>, right? Who wants to be considered a <em>woman</em>?</p>
  1167.  
  1168. <p>Either way, it's a shitty thing for someone to say to you and it's a shitty thing for you to say to someone else, and it's your choice whether you continue to do it or you say, "No, that's pretty fucking awful, and I won't do it anymore." </p>
  1169.  
  1170. <p>I can assure you that my quality of life has not been diminished by not "joking" about sexually assaulting strangers on the Internet or my friends. Life is hard enough for everyone without also heaping on such unnecessary pain in pursuit of the almighty lulz that aren't actually that funny when you take a moment to just <em>think</em> about what someone is actually saying when they use those jokes. Why contribute to the misery of others when you don't have to?</p>
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  1173. <p>So yeah, why shouldn't I behave this way?</p>
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  1175.  
  1176. <p>Honestly? I can't tell you how to behave or how not to behave. You'll do what you'll do. You can either chose to be caring for those around you, and empathize with with where they've been, and be respectful of others, or not. Your choice. </p>
  1177.  
  1178. <p>I can tell you why I think that it's important to be kind, empathetic, respectful, a good person, etc, but you'll have to come up with reasons for yourself otherwise it won't make sense to you.</p>
  1179.  
  1180. <p>Riddle me this: How do you know what I've gone through? How do you know what I look like? Would a rape joke or a racist remark be appropriate right now, given that lack of context? Why is that different in any other sub where you know just as much about the commentator?</p>
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  1183. <p>I can tell you why I think that it's important to be kind, empathetic, respectful, a good person, etc, but you'll have to come up with reasons for yourself otherwise it won't make sense to you.</p>
  1184. </blockquote>
  1185.  
  1186. <p>I think t's important to be kind and empathetic too. I never try to offend and upset anyone intentionally, but I find humour in taboo subjects, as many people do. I think it's alright to joke like this among friends who don't mind that kind of humour, and on forums like reddit where that behaviour is generally accepted.</p>
  1187.  
  1188. <p>I don't claim to know what you've gone through. But if I know a certain subject is sensitive or difficult for you, I won't make light of it or it make those kind of jokes while talking to you. That'd be disrespectful and I wouldn't want to do that.</p>
  1189.  
  1190. <p>I think it's different in most subreddits because people familiar with reddit know that those kind of jokes are made here. If they understand that and still want to use the site, they should know that they might see offensive material, and be ready to ignore it. Why should we stop making certain jokes because you find them distasteful or offensive?</p>
  1191.  
  1192. <p>If I was offended by racist language but wanted to browse a white power forum, I'd try to not take things said there personally or get upset by them. I'm not comparing reddit to a hate group or anything like that, I'm just saying that if you want to use a site with offensive content, be aware that you're going to see that content.</p>
  1193.  
  1194. <p>I'm not saying you shouldn't get upset by it. Obviously some people take offense and that's alright if they do. I just don't see why we're bad people for making these jokes on forums where most people don't mind them.</p>
  1195. </div>
  1196. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; I can tell you why I think that it's important to be kind, empathetic, respectful, a good person, etc, but you'll have to come up with reasons for yourself otherwise it won't make sense to you.
  1197.  
  1198. I think t's important to be kind and empathetic too. I never try to offend and upset anyone intentionally, but I find humour in taboo subjects, as many people do. I think it's alright to joke like this among friends who don't mind that kind of humour, and on forums like reddit where that behaviour is generally accepted.
  1199.  
  1200. I don't claim to know what you've gone through. But if I know a certain subject is sensitive or difficult for you, I won't make light of it or it make those kind of jokes while talking to you. That'd be disrespectful and I wouldn't want to do that.
  1201.  
  1202. I think it's different in most subreddits because people familiar with reddit know that those kind of jokes are made here. If they understand that and still want to use the site, they should know that they might see offensive material, and be ready to ignore it. Why should we stop making certain jokes because you find them distasteful or offensive?
  1203.  
  1204. If I was offended by racist language but wanted to browse a white power forum, I'd try to not take things said there personally or get upset by them. I'm not comparing reddit to a hate group or anything like that, I'm just saying that if you want to use a site with offensive content, be aware that you're going to see that content.
  1205.  
  1206. I'm not saying you shouldn't get upset by it. Obviously some people take offense and that's alright if they do. I just don't see why we're bad people for making these jokes on forums where most people don't mind them.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  1207.   <p>I can tell you why I think that it's important to be kind, empathetic, respectful, a good person, etc, but you'll have to come up with reasons for yourself otherwise it won't make sense to you.</p>
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  1209.  
  1210. <p>I think t's important to be kind and empathetic too. I never try to offend and upset anyone intentionally, but I find humour in taboo subjects, as many people do. I think it's alright to joke like this among friends who don't mind that kind of humour, and on forums like reddit where that behaviour is generally accepted.</p>
  1211.  
  1212. <p>I don't claim to know what you've gone through. But if I know a certain subject is sensitive or difficult for you, I won't make light of it or it make those kind of jokes while talking to you. That'd be disrespectful and I wouldn't want to do that.</p>
  1213.  
  1214. <p>I think it's different in most subreddits because people familiar with reddit know that those kind of jokes are made here. If they understand that and still want to use the site, they should know that they might see offensive material, and be ready to ignore it. Why should we stop making certain jokes because you find them distasteful or offensive?</p>
  1215.  
  1216. <p>If I was offended by racist language but wanted to browse a white power forum, I'd try to not take things said there personally or get upset by them. I'm not comparing reddit to a hate group or anything like that, I'm just saying that if you want to use a site with offensive content, be aware that you're going to see that content.</p>
  1217.  
  1218. <p>I'm not saying you shouldn't get upset by it. Obviously some people take offense and that's alright if they do. I just don't see why we're bad people for making these jokes on forums where most people don't mind them.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c554jhc" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c5540mc" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c554jhc" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c554jhc" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c554jhc" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c5559tr even comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c5559tr" data-ups="8" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c5559tr"></a></p><div class="midcol likes"><div class="arrow upmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;f4e9779ee5381897c0ef1088a11c596bd5ecf606&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="39"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;f4e9779ee5381897c0ef1088a11c596bd5ecf606&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="39"></div></div><div class="entry likes" keyindex="34"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nofelix" class="author gray id-t2_3nnc7">nofelix</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">6 points</span><span class="score unvoted">7 points</span><span class="score likes">8 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 03:27:36 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T03:27:36.433443+00:00">13 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(7 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nofelix" class="author id-t2_3nnc7 userTagged">nofelix</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="nofelix" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(223, 255, 223); " title="your votes for nofelix: +4">[+4]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">6 points</span><span class="score unvoted">7 points</span><span class="score likes">8 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 04:27:36 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 03:27:36 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T03:27:36.433443+00:00">13 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">8</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c5559trs40"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c5559tr"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>The issue is that this stuff is SO prevalent that basically anywhere that isn't moderated as a 'safe space' WILL likely have misogyny, racism, rape jokes and other shitwizardry. It's easy for you to ask people who are offended to leave these spaces, because you don't see how pervasive the shit is.</p>
  1219.  
  1220. <p>Even though, as a person who presumably has privilege, you cannot truly understand what it's like to deal with pervasive bigotry, you should try. Try to imagine that everywhere you go people make offhand remarks that hurt you, even otherwise nice people do it, and its accepted by everyone else, and if you say something then the hurtful remarks become stronger, and your concerns are dismissed. Maybe you have experienced something like this in your life. It won't be the same as actual racism or misogyny, but use this experience, try to understand.</p>
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  1223. <p>The issue is that this stuff is SO prevalent that basically anywhere that isn't moderated as a 'safe space' WILL likely have misogyny, racism, rape jokes and other shitwizardry. It's easy for you to ask people who are offended to leave these spaces, because you don't see how pervasive the shit is.</p>
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  1225.  
  1226. <p>Yeah, I agree that this stuff is really prevalent on the internet in general. A lot of people use that kind of humour (to varying degrees of acceptability imo) on the internet. It's difficult to avoid, but I think people who take issue with it should try to have a thicker skin. I know that may sound callous or insensitive, but if you take everything on the internet personally (as a sleight against you or your creed), you're gonna have a bad time.</p>
  1227.  
  1228. <p>I agree that people should moderate what they say to an extent, and not deliberately upset people. If I see a comment that insults a race or group just for the purpose if insulting and intimidating them, I completely disagree with that and wish people wouldn't do that.</p>
  1229.  
  1230. <p>There's not much you can do about it though. Sadly it's unavoidable and you just have to downvote and move on. That's how I deal with content that bothers me anyway.</p>
  1231.  
  1232. <blockquote>
  1233. <p>Even though, as a person who presumably has privilege, you cannot truly understand what it's like to deal with pervasive bigotry, you should try. </p>
  1234. </blockquote>
  1235.  
  1236. <p>I understand that I'm privileged and don't have to deal with it in the same way, or with the same frequency that other groups do. But I think it's ignorant to imply I can't empathise with their position or that I haven't had racism directed towards me, simply because of my white privilege.</p>
  1237.  
  1238. <p>I've had the shit kicked out of me because I'm white before. I was 16 and a guy (black, in his 20s i think) started a fight with me. He said "What you looking at? and quickly escalated it from there. He immediately got in my face, saying "Why you disrespected my creed?" He then proceeded to beat the shit out of me while a crowd of his friends watched and helped until the police arrived.</p>
  1239.  
  1240. <p>I hadn't said anything racist or done anything that would insult his race. He simply didn't like the way I was looking at him and decided to kick my ass while implying that I'd insulted his race. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he did it because I was white.</p>
  1241.  
  1242. <h2></h2>
  1243.  
  1244. <p>(Edit:)</p>
  1245.  
  1246. <p>I was going to leave this out because the language is strong, but I think it warrants including. <strong>(Racist language)</strong>:</p>
  1247.  
  1248. <p>After it happened, but before the police took me away to question me, a man approached me (white, about 40) and said "Are you alright? I run a pub and if you wanna talk about it come over. We're sick of these fucking coons and you shouldn't have to put up with this."</p>
  1249.  
  1250. <p>At first I was relieved that someone wanted to help me, but as soon as he said "fucking coons" I felt sick and didn't want anything to do with him. I'd been beaten pretty badly because of someone's ignorant racist attitude, and here was this guy (a member of my own race/creed), offering to help me by using more ignorant racism.</p>
  1251.  
  1252. <p>It's sad that this is the world we live in and it honestly upsets me to talk about this, but that's my experience. Make of it what you will.</p>
  1253.  
  1254. <p>(/Edit)</p>
  1255.  
  1256. <h2></h2>
  1257.  
  1258. <p>I admit I don't have the same experiences as other racial groups, and I don't experience this kind of thing every day (or even often), but it's unfair to say that people like me don't experience racism or prejudice directed towards them.</p>
  1259.  
  1260. <p>It bothers me when people dismiss racism against whites as trivial or uncommon. I live in a city with a large black and asian (arab/middle-eastern) population. Racist-fuelled violence is common in my city, against all races, whites included.</p>
  1261.  
  1262. <p>If you're interested about the racism in my city (Birmingham), read about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots" rel="nofollow" class=" imgScanned">Summer 2011 Riots</a> in the UK. They were a series of riots which (arguably) started with a protest against police being racist towards asians (the police had shot and killed a man). My city, Birmingham (along with London) was a a major place for rioting. I know first hand from those riots that racism can be directed towards whites (as well as all races) and it upsets when people take that issue lightly. It's personal to me and it upsets me that SRS think it's something to joke about.</p>
  1263.  
  1264. <p>My friends and I know not to drive around certain areas when it gets dark. There are places here where simply being white is an invitation to get mugged/assaulted. If I find myself in Alum Rock after 9pm, I know to get my ass out of there before someone takes exception to my presence. This may sound exaggerated, but it's an accurate description of my city. It doesn't affect my life massively, but the prejudice is there and I know it.</p>
  1265.  
  1266. <p>I'm not trying to belittle the experiences of other racial groups, I just want people to know that racism against whites isn't so trivial or uncommon that it warrants being taken lightly and mocked.</p>
  1267.  
  1268. <blockquote>
  1269. <p>you cannot truly understand what it's like to deal with pervasive bigotry, you should try. Try to imagine that everywhere you go people make offhand remarks that hurt you, even otherwise nice people do it, and its accepted by everyone else, and if you say something then the hurtful remarks become stronger, and your concerns are dismissed.</p>
  1270. </blockquote>
  1271.  
  1272. <p>I'll definitely think about this. Understanding what other groups go through is absolutely something worth thinking about.</p>
  1273. </div>
  1274. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; The issue is that this stuff is SO prevalent that basically anywhere that isn't moderated as a 'safe space' WILL likely have misogyny, racism, rape jokes and other shitwizardry. It's easy for you to ask people who are offended to leave these spaces, because you don't see how pervasive the shit is.
  1275.  
  1276. Yeah, I agree that this stuff is really prevalent on the internet in general. A lot of people use that kind of humour (to varying degrees of acceptability imo) on the internet. It's difficult to avoid, but I think people who take issue with it should try to have a thicker skin. I know that may sound callous or insensitive, but if you take everything on the internet personally (as a sleight against you or your creed), you're gonna have a bad time.
  1277.  
  1278. I agree that people should moderate what they say to an extent, and not deliberately upset people. If I see a comment that insults a race or group just for the purpose if insulting and intimidating them, I completely disagree with that and wish people wouldn't do that.
  1279.  
  1280. There's not much you can do about it though. Sadly it's unavoidable and you just have to downvote and move on. That's how I deal with content that bothers me anyway.
  1281.  
  1282. &gt; Even though, as a person who presumably has privilege, you cannot truly understand what it's like to deal with pervasive bigotry, you should try.
  1283.  
  1284. I understand that I'm privileged and don't have to deal with it in the same way, or with the same frequency that other groups do. But I think it's ignorant to imply I can't empathise with their position or that I haven't had racism directed towards me, simply because of my white privilege.
  1285.  
  1286. I've had the shit kicked out of me because I'm white before. I was 16 and a guy (black, in his 20s i think) started a fight with me. He said "What you looking at? and quickly escalated it from there. He immediately got in my face, saying "Why you disrespected my creed?" He then proceeded to beat the shit out of me while a crowd of his friends watched and helped until the police arrived.
  1287.  
  1288. I hadn't said anything racist or done anything that would insult his race. He simply didn't like the way I was looking at him and decided to kick my ass while implying that I'd insulted his race. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he did it because I was white.
  1289.  
  1290. --
  1291.  
  1292. (Edit:)
  1293.  
  1294. I was going to leave this out because the language is strong, but I think it warrants including. **(Racist language)**:
  1295.  
  1296. After it happened, but before the police took me away to question me, a man approached me (white, about 40) and said "Are you alright? I run a pub and if you wanna talk about it come over. We're sick of these fucking coons and you shouldn't have to put up with this."
  1297.  
  1298. At first I was relieved that someone wanted to help me, but as soon as he said "fucking coons" I felt sick and didn't want anything to do with him. I'd been beaten pretty badly because of someone's ignorant racist attitude, and here was this guy (a member of my own race/creed), offering to help me by using more ignorant racism.
  1299.  
  1300. It's sad that this is the world we live in and it honestly upsets me to talk about this, but that's my experience. Make of it what you will.
  1301.  
  1302. (/Edit)
  1303.  
  1304. --
  1305.  
  1306. I admit I don't have the same experiences as other racial groups, and I don't experience this kind of thing every day (or even often), but it's unfair to say that people like me don't experience racism or prejudice directed towards them.
  1307.  
  1308. It bothers me when people dismiss racism against whites as trivial or uncommon. I live in a city with a large black and asian (arab/middle-eastern) population. Racist-fuelled violence is common in my city, against all races, whites included.
  1309.  
  1310. If you're interested about the racism in my city (Birmingham), read about the [Summer 2011 Riots](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots) in the UK. They were a series of riots which (arguably) started with a protest against police being racist towards asians (the police had shot and killed a man). My city, Birmingham (along with London) was a a major place for rioting. I know first hand from those riots that racism can be directed towards whites (as well as all races) and it upsets when people take that issue lightly. It's personal to me and it upsets me that SRS think it's something to joke about.
  1311.  
  1312. My friends and I know not to drive around certain areas when it gets dark. There are places here where simply being white is an invitation to get mugged/assaulted. If I find myself in Alum Rock after 9pm, I know to get my ass out of there before someone takes exception to my presence. This may sound exaggerated, but it's an accurate description of my city. It doesn't affect my life massively, but the prejudice is there and I know it.
  1313.  
  1314. I'm not trying to belittle the experiences of other racial groups, I just want people to know that racism against whites isn't so trivial or uncommon that it warrants being taken lightly and mocked.
  1315.  
  1316. &gt;  you cannot truly understand what it's like to deal with pervasive bigotry, you should try. Try to imagine that everywhere you go people make offhand remarks that hurt you, even otherwise nice people do it, and its accepted by everyone else, and if you say something then the hurtful remarks become stronger, and your concerns are dismissed.
  1317.  
  1318. I'll definitely think about this. Understanding what other groups go through is absolutely something worth thinking about.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  1319.   <p>The issue is that this stuff is SO prevalent that basically anywhere that isn't moderated as a 'safe space' WILL likely have misogyny, racism, rape jokes and other shitwizardry. It's easy for you to ask people who are offended to leave these spaces, because you don't see how pervasive the shit is.</p>
  1320. </blockquote>
  1321.  
  1322. <p>Yeah, I agree that this stuff is really prevalent on the internet in general. A lot of people use that kind of humour (to varying degrees of acceptability imo) on the internet. It's difficult to avoid, but I think people who take issue with it should try to have a thicker skin. I know that may sound callous or insensitive, but if you take everything on the internet personally (as a sleight against you or your creed), you're gonna have a bad time.</p>
  1323.  
  1324. <p>I agree that people should moderate what they say to an extent, and not deliberately upset people. If I see a comment that insults a race or group just for the purpose if insulting and intimidating them, I completely disagree with that and wish people wouldn't do that.</p>
  1325.  
  1326. <p>There's not much you can do about it though. Sadly it's unavoidable and you just have to downvote and move on. That's how I deal with content that bothers me anyway.</p>
  1327.  
  1328. <blockquote>
  1329.   <p>Even though, as a person who presumably has privilege, you cannot truly understand what it's like to deal with pervasive bigotry, you should try. </p>
  1330. </blockquote>
  1331.  
  1332. <p>I understand that I'm privileged and don't have to deal with it in the same way, or with the same frequency that other groups do. But I think it's ignorant to imply I can't empathise with their position or that I haven't had racism directed towards me, simply because of my white privilege.</p>
  1333.  
  1334. <p>I've had the shit kicked out of me because I'm white before. I was 16 and a guy (black, in his 20s i think) started a fight with me. He said "What you looking at? and quickly escalated it from there. He immediately got in my face, saying "Why you disrespected my creed?" He then proceeded to beat the shit out of me while a crowd of his friends watched and helped until the police arrived.</p>
  1335.  
  1336. <p>I hadn't said anything racist or done anything that would insult his race. He simply didn't like the way I was looking at him and decided to kick my ass while implying that I'd insulted his race. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he did it because I was white.</p>
  1337.  
  1338. <p>--</p>
  1339.  
  1340. <p>(Edit:)</p>
  1341.  
  1342. <p>I was going to leave this out because the language is strong, but I think it warrants including. <strong>(Racist language)</strong>:</p>
  1343.  
  1344. <p>After it happened, but before the police took me away to question me, a man approached me (white, about 40) and said "Are you alright? I run a pub and if you wanna talk about it come over. We're sick of these fucking coons and you shouldn't have to put up with this."</p>
  1345.  
  1346. <p>At first I was relieved that someone wanted to help me, but as soon as he said "fucking coons" I felt sick and didn't want anything to do with him. I'd been beaten pretty badly because of someone's ignorant racist attitude, and here was this guy (a member of my own race/creed), offering to help me by using more ignorant racism.</p>
  1347.  
  1348. <p>It's sad that this is the world we live in and it honestly upsets me to talk about this, but that's my experience. Make of it what you will.</p>
  1349.  
  1350. <p>(/Edit)</p>
  1351.  
  1352. <p>--</p>
  1353.  
  1354. <p>I admit I don't have the same experiences as other racial groups, and I don't experience this kind of thing every day (or even often), but it's unfair to say that people like me don't experience racism or prejudice directed towards them.</p>
  1355.  
  1356. <p>It bothers me when people dismiss racism against whites as trivial or uncommon. I live in a city with a large black and asian (arab/middle-eastern) population. Racist-fuelled violence is common in my city, against all races, whites included.</p>
  1357.  
  1358. <p>If you're interested about the racism in my city (Birmingham), read about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots">Summer 2011 Riots</a> in the UK. They were a series of riots which (arguably) started with a protest against police being racist towards asians (the police had shot and killed a man). My city, Birmingham (along with London) was a a major place for rioting. I know first hand from those riots that racism can be directed towards whites (as well as all races) and it upsets when people take that issue lightly. It's personal to me and it upsets me that SRS think it's something to joke about.</p>
  1359.  
  1360. <p>My friends and I know not to drive around certain areas when it gets dark. There are places here where simply being white is an invitation to get mugged/assaulted. If I find myself in Alum Rock after 9pm, I know to get my ass out of there before someone takes exception to my presence. This may sound exaggerated, but it's an accurate description of my city. It doesn't affect my life massively, but the prejudice is there and I know it.</p>
  1361.  
  1362. <p>I'm not trying to belittle the experiences of other racial groups, I just want people to know that racism against whites isn't so trivial or uncommon that it warrants being taken lightly and mocked.</p>
  1363.  
  1364. <blockquote>
  1365.   <p>you cannot truly understand what it's like to deal with pervasive bigotry, you should try. Try to imagine that everywhere you go people make offhand remarks that hurt you, even otherwise nice people do it, and its accepted by everyone else, and if you say something then the hurtful remarks become stronger, and your concerns are dismissed.</p>
  1366. </blockquote>
  1367.  
  1368. <p>I'll definitely think about this. Understanding what other groups go through is absolutely something worth thinking about.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c555na2" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c5559tr" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c555na2" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c555na2" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c555na2" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c556e66 odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c556e66" data-ups="4" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c556e66"></a></p><div class="midcol likes"><div class="arrow upmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;30bbfc099126fb428f0f3dc936bcd531aa5d02ed&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="41"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;30bbfc099126fb428f0f3dc936bcd531aa5d02ed&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="41"></div></div><div class="entry likes" keyindex="36"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nofelix" class="author gray id-t2_3nnc7">nofelix</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 04:55:15 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T04:55:15.984097+00:00">12 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(5 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nofelix" class="author id-t2_3nnc7 userTagged">nofelix</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="nofelix" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(223, 255, 223); " title="your votes for nofelix: +4">[+4]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 05:55:15 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 04:55:15 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T04:55:15.984097+00:00">12 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">4</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c556e66oxc"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c556e66"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>I am in Birmingham too. I am actually leaving today, otherwise I might talk to you face to face about this. Yeah I know Alum Rock is not a place to be white after dark, but that's not racism. You should be aware that white people can be discriminated against for their race, but can't be victims of racism. The words aren't the same. Anyway, that's a different topic.</p>
  1369.  
  1370. <blockquote>
  1371. <p>if you take everything on the internet personally (as a sleight against you or your creed), you're gonna have a bad time.</p>
  1372. </blockquote>
  1373.  
  1374. <p>Thing is, it is personal. If you're black and people are racist, that's personal. Of course you can ignore them; people of colour ignore racism every day, because they can't call out every instance of racism they encounter. They shouldn't have to live like that though, which is why it's everybody's moral duty to speak out against racism and audit their own language/behaviour for racism.</p>
  1375.  
  1376. <p>Same for rape victims; they can't speak out against every manifestation of rape culture that they encounter. But as a group, SRS can respond to some of these hurtful posts.</p>
  1377. </div>
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  1379. <p>Yeah I know Alum Rock is not a place to be white after dark, but that's not racism. You should be aware that white people can be discriminated against for their race, but can't be victims of racism. The words aren't the same. Anyway, that's a different topic.</p>
  1380. </blockquote>
  1381.  
  1382. <p>I've never heard this point of view before. Can you explain more about why you think white people can't be victims of racism?</p>
  1383.  
  1384. <p>It doesn't make sense to me and I don't see how you can defend that position. Isn't it racism regardless of which race the hate/discrimination is aimed towards?</p>
  1385.  
  1386. <p>Why are white people an exception to this?</p>
  1387.  
  1388. <p>I agree that people have a moral duty to stop racism and hate, but I don't think this moral duty extends to not making jokes about the subject.</p>
  1389.  
  1390. <p>If you make jokes about racism or rape among people who don't mind the humour, or on public forums where those jokes are known to be accepted by most people there, I don't see a problem.</p>
  1391.  
  1392. <p>If you do and say things to deliberately to hurt certain groups, or in a place where you know they'll read it and take exception, then I think that behaviour is unacceptable and it's not a moral thing to do. However on reddit and amongst friends, I don't think it's immoral or unethical in any way.</p>
  1393.  
  1394. <p>Still, I'm interested to know why you think whites can't be victims of racism. I consider myself a victim of racism and I'd like to know why you think my experience shouldn't be classed as a racist attack.</p>
  1395. </div>
  1396. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; Yeah I know Alum Rock is not a place to be white after dark, but that's not racism. You should be aware that white people can be discriminated against for their race, but can't be victims of racism. The words aren't the same. Anyway, that's a different topic.
  1397.  
  1398. I've never heard this point of view before. Can you explain more about why you think white people can't be victims of racism?
  1399.  
  1400. It doesn't make sense to me and I don't see how you can defend that position. Isn't it racism regardless of which race the hate/discrimination is aimed towards?
  1401.  
  1402. Why are white people an exception to this?
  1403.  
  1404. I agree that people have a moral duty to stop racism and hate, but I don't think this moral duty extends to not making jokes about the subject.
  1405.  
  1406. If you make jokes about racism or rape among people who don't mind the humour, or on public forums where those jokes are known to be accepted by most people there, I don't see a problem.
  1407.  
  1408. If you do and say things to deliberately to hurt certain groups, or in a place where you know they'll read it and take exception, then I think that behaviour is unacceptable and it's not a moral thing to do. However on reddit and amongst friends, I don't think it's immoral or unethical in any way.
  1409.  
  1410. Still, I'm interested to know why you think whites can't be victims of racism. I consider myself a victim of racism and I'd like to know why you think my experience shouldn't be classed as a racist attack.</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  1411.   <p>Yeah I know Alum Rock is not a place to be white after dark, but that's not racism. You should be aware that white people can be discriminated against for their race, but can't be victims of racism. The words aren't the same. Anyway, that's a different topic.</p>
  1412. </blockquote>
  1413.  
  1414. <p>I've never heard this point of view before. Can you explain more about why you think white people can't be victims of racism?</p>
  1415.  
  1416. <p>It doesn't make sense to me and I don't see how you can defend that position. Isn't it racism regardless of which race the hate/discrimination is aimed towards?</p>
  1417.  
  1418. <p>Why are white people an exception to this?</p>
  1419.  
  1420. <p>I agree that people have a moral duty to stop racism and hate, but I don't think this moral duty extends to not making jokes about the subject.</p>
  1421.  
  1422. <p>If you make jokes about racism or rape among people who don't mind the humour, or on public forums where those jokes are known to be accepted by most people there, I don't see a problem.</p>
  1423.  
  1424. <p>If you do and say things to deliberately to hurt certain groups, or in a place where you know they'll read it and take exception, then I think that behaviour is unacceptable and it's not a moral thing to do. However on reddit and amongst friends, I don't think it's immoral or unethical in any way.</p>
  1425.  
  1426. <p>Still, I'm interested to know why you think whites can't be victims of racism. I consider myself a victim of racism and I'd like to know why you think my experience shouldn't be classed as a racist attack.</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c556hao" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c556e66" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c556hao" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c556hao" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c556hao" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c556r7w odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c556r7w" data-ups="4" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c556r7w"></a></p><div class="midcol likes"><div class="arrow upmod login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;88f5a57cb16c91ed82f891f3eea018a027a2cd92&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="43"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;88f5a57cb16c91ed82f891f3eea018a027a2cd92&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="43"></div></div><div class="entry likes" keyindex="38"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nofelix" class="author gray id-t2_3nnc7">nofelix</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 05:26:28 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T05:26:28.316182+00:00">11 hours</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(3 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/nofelix" class="author id-t2_3nnc7 userTagged">nofelix</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="nofelix" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(223, 255, 223); " title="your votes for nofelix: +4">[+4]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">2 points</span><span class="score unvoted">3 points</span><span class="score likes">4 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 06:26:28 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 05:26:28 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T05:26:28.316182+00:00">11 hours</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">4</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c556r7wgx4"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c556r7w"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>It's just the definition dude. It doesn't mean discrimination against white people is okay. It just means there isn't an institutional power imbalance backing up that discrimination.</p>
  1427.  
  1428. <blockquote>
  1429. <p>If you make jokes about racism or rape among people who don't mind the humour, or on public forums where those jokes are known to be accepted by most people there, I don't see a problem.
  1430. If you do and say things to deliberately to hurt certain groups, or in a place where you know they'll read it and take exception, then I think that behaviour is unacceptable and it's not a moral thing to do.</p>
  1431. </blockquote>
  1432.  
  1433. <p>Public forums = a place where you know they'll read it. People of colour read the internet too. So do rape victims. And women, and disabled people. Imagine you're addressing a large hall of randomly assembled people; you can't assume that there's no rape victims present.</p>
  1434. </div>
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  1436. <p>Public forums = a place where you know they'll read it. </p>
  1437. </blockquote>
  1438.  
  1439. <p>I admit that when I post things like this, I know there's a chance someone might read it and take offense to it. However, I'm not willing to censor myself to the point where I won't make any jokes about some topics (rape, racism, sexism, misogyny, ageism, religion, culture, etc) just because some people might find it offensive.</p>
  1440.  
  1441. <p>I'll avoid being overly racist or sexist if I don't feel it's necessary or appropriate. But I think it's unreasonable to ask me to stop making these jokes altogether because people don't like them.</p>
  1442.  
  1443. <blockquote>
  1444. <p>It's just the definition dude. It doesn't mean discrimination against white people is okay. It just means there isn't an institutional power imbalance backing up that discrimination.</p>
  1445. </blockquote>
  1446.  
  1447. <p>Can you tell me how you define it? I know it's a tangent to what we were discussing, but I think this is an important belief to have about racism, and it'd help me understand where you guys are coming from if I knew why you defined racism that way.</p>
  1448.  
  1449. <p>To be honest I find the definition insulting and think it tries to play down discrimination towards white people. Is there really a good reason to define it this way?</p>
  1450.  
  1451. <p>Wikipedia defines it as "Racism is the belief that different characteristics in racial groups justify discrimination" That's the broad definition, but I don't see how you can say whites don't fit that criteria.</p>
  1452.  
  1453. <p>I can't imagine any reasonable definition of racism that would exclude whites. What definition do you use?</p>
  1454. </div>
  1455. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">&gt; Public forums = a place where you know they'll read it.
  1456.  
  1457. I admit that when I post things like this, I know there's a chance someone might read it and take offense to it. However, I'm not willing to censor myself to the point where I won't make any jokes about some topics (rape, racism, sexism, misogyny, ageism, religion, culture, etc) just because some people might find it offensive.
  1458.  
  1459. I'll avoid being overly racist or sexist if I don't feel it's necessary or appropriate. But I think it's unreasonable to ask me to stop making these jokes altogether because people don't like them.
  1460.  
  1461. &gt; It's just the definition dude. It doesn't mean discrimination against white people is okay. It just means there isn't an institutional power imbalance backing up that discrimination.
  1462.  
  1463. Can you tell me how you define it? I know it's a tangent to what we were discussing, but I think this is an important belief to have about racism, and it'd help me understand where you guys are coming from if I knew why you defined racism that way.
  1464.  
  1465. To be honest I find the definition insulting and think it tries to play down discrimination towards white people. Is there really a good reason to define it this way?
  1466.  
  1467. Wikipedia defines it as "Racism is the belief that different characteristics in racial groups justify discrimination" That's the broad definition, but I don't see how you can say whites don't fit that criteria.
  1468.  
  1469. I can't imagine any reasonable definition of racism that would exclude whites. What definition do you use?</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><blockquote>
  1470.   <p>Public forums = a place where you know they'll read it. </p>
  1471. </blockquote>
  1472.  
  1473. <p>I admit that when I post things like this, I know there's a chance someone might read it and take offense to it. However, I'm not willing to censor myself to the point where I won't make any jokes about some topics (rape, racism, sexism, misogyny, ageism, religion, culture, etc) just because some people might find it offensive.</p>
  1474.  
  1475. <p>I'll avoid being overly racist or sexist if I don't feel it's necessary or appropriate. But I think it's unreasonable to ask me to stop making these jokes altogether because people don't like them.</p>
  1476.  
  1477. <blockquote>
  1478.   <p>It's just the definition dude. It doesn't mean discrimination against white people is okay. It just means there isn't an institutional power imbalance backing up that discrimination.</p>
  1479. </blockquote>
  1480.  
  1481. <p>Can you tell me how you define it? I know it's a tangent to what we were discussing, but I think this is an important belief to have about racism, and it'd help me understand where you guys are coming from if I knew why you defined racism that way.</p>
  1482.  
  1483. <p>To be honest I find the definition insulting and think it tries to play down discrimination towards white people. Is there really a good reason to define it this way?</p>
  1484.  
  1485. <p>Wikipedia defines it as "Racism is the belief that different characteristics in racial groups justify discrimination" That's the broad definition, but I don't see how you can say whites don't fit that criteria.</p>
  1486.  
  1487. <p>I can't imagine any reasonable definition of racism that would exclude whites. What definition do you use?</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c556uga" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c556r7w" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c556uga" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c556uga" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c556uga" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c55c1jw odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c55c1jw" data-ups="1" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c55c1jw"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;9e3ff499627c94184c54f84e8a00484342244e28&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="45"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;9e3ff499627c94184c54f84e8a00484342244e28&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="45"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="40"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/G1oves" class="author gray id-t2_46g6d">G1oves</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 16:07:04 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T16:07:04.248563+00:00">56 minutes</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(0 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/G1oves" class="author id-t2_46g6d userTagged">G1oves</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="G1oves" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: none; ">[vw]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 17:07:04 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 16:07:04 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T16:07:04.248563+00:00">56 minutes</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">1</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c55c1jwc6y"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c55c1jw"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><blockquote>
  1488. <blockquote>
  1489. <p>Public forums = a place where you know they'll read it. </p>
  1490. </blockquote>
  1491.  
  1492. <p>I admit that when I post things like this, I know there's a chance someone might read it and take offense to it. However, I'm not willing to censor myself to the point where I won't make any jokes about some topics (rape, racism, sexism, misogyny, ageism, religion, culture, etc) just because some people might find it offensive.</p>
  1493.  
  1494. <p>I'll avoid being overly racist or sexist if I don't feel it's necessary or appropriate. But I think it's unreasonable to ask me to stop making these jokes altogether because people don't like them.</p>
  1495. </blockquote>
  1496.  
  1497. <p>These last two paragraphs are what makes you a shitlord.</p>
  1498.  
  1499. <p>"i know my offensive racist or sexist or ableist remarks may well be read by people who will be offended by them, but I don't think that their feelings are more important than my right to make insensitive jokes at their expense, and the majority of reddit accepts and promotes this attitude, so I must be right."</p>
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  1508.  
  1509. <p>It's just that some people choose to make these jokes because they find them entertaining and funny.</p>
  1510.  
  1511. <p>I don't see a problem with it if they do.</p>
  1512.  
  1513. <p>Why don't you think people should behave this way?</p>
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  1515. </div><div class="usertext-edit" style="display: none"><div class="commentingAs">Commenting as: haddock420</div><div class="markdownEditor"><a href="javascript:;"><b>Bold</b></a><a href="javascript:;"><i>Italic</i></a><a href="javascript:;"><del>strike</del></a><a href="javascript:;"><sup>sup</sup></a><a href="javascript:;">Link</a><a href="javascript:;">|Quote</a><a href="javascript:;"><span style="font-family: Courier New;">Code</span></a><a href="javascript:;">•Bullets</a><a href="javascript:;">1.Numbers</a><a href="javascript:;">ಠ_ಠ</a><a href="javascript:;">[Promote]</a></div><div><textarea rows="1" cols="1" name="text">I don't think it's a case of "I *should*" or "I *shouldn't*" act this way.
  1516.  
  1517. It's just that some people choose to make these jokes because they find them entertaining and funny.
  1518.  
  1519. I don't see a problem with it if they do.
  1520.  
  1521. Why don't you think people should behave this way?</textarea></div><div class="bottom-area"><span class="help-toggle toggle" style="display: none"><a class="option active " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" tabindex="100" onclick="return toggle(this, helpon, helpoff)">formatting help</a><a class="option " href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#">hide help</a></span><span class="error TOO_LONG field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error RATELIMIT field-ratelimit" style="display:none"></span><span class="error NO_TEXT field-text" style="display:none"></span><span class="error TOO_OLD field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_COMMENT field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error DELETED_LINK field-parent" style="display:none"></span><span class="error USER_BLOCKED field-parent" style="display:none"></span><div class="usertext-buttons"><button type="submit" onclick="" class="save" style="display:none">save</button><button type="button" onclick="cancel_usertext(this)" class="cancel" style="display:none">cancel</button><span class="status"></span></div></div><table class="markhelp md" style="display: none"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #ffff99; text-align: center"><td><em>you type:</em></td><td><em>you see:</em></td></tr><tr><td>*italics*</td><td><em>italics</em></td></tr><tr><td>**bold**</td><td><b>bold</b></td></tr><tr><td>[reddit!](http://reddit.com)</td><td><a href="http://reddit.com/">reddit!</a></td></tr><tr><td>* item 1<br>* item 2<br>* item 3</td><td><ul><li>item 1</li><li>item 2</li><li>item 3</li></ul></td></tr><tr><td>&gt; quoted text</td><td><blockquote>quoted text</blockquote></td></tr><tr><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br><span class="spaces">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>print "hello, world!"<br></td><td>Lines starting with four spaces<br>are treated like code:<br><pre>if 1 * 2 &lt; 3:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;print "hello, world!"</pre></td></tr><tr><td>~~strikethrough~~</td><td><strike>strikethrough</strike></td></tr><tr><td>super^script</td><td>super<sup>script</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><fieldset class="liveComment" style="display: block; "><legend>Live Preview</legend><div class="md"><p>I don't think it's a case of "I <em>should</em>" or "I <em>shouldn't</em>" act this way.</p>
  1522.  
  1523. <p>It's just that some people choose to make these jokes because they find them entertaining and funny.</p>
  1524.  
  1525. <p>I don't see a problem with it if they do.</p>
  1526.  
  1527. <p>Why don't you think people should behave this way?</p></div></fieldset></div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557u8z" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">perma-link</a></li><li><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#c555dbh" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">parent</a></li><li><a href="javascript:void(0)">source</a></li><li><a class="edit-usertext" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return edit_usertext(this)">edit</a></li><li><form class="toggle del-button " action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" method="get"><input type="hidden" name="executed" value="deleted"><span class="option main active"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="togglebutton" onclick="return toggle(this)">delete</a></span><span class="option error">are you sure?  <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="yes" onclick="change_state(this, &quot;del&quot;, hide_thing)">yes</a> / <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="no" onclick="return toggle(this)">no</a></span></form></li><li saveid="c557u8z" savelink="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/c557u8z" saveuser="haddock420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" class="saveComments">save</a></li><li><a class="" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="return reply(this)">reply</a></li></ul></div></div><div class="child"><div id="siteTable_t1_c557u8z" class="sitetable listing"><div class="thing id-t1_c55be9e odd comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_c55be9e" data-ups="1" data-downs="0"><p class="parent"><a name="c55be9e"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;fcca83ac781135a3c93f5e22bb313a21cc25991b&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="50"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).vote(&#39;fcca83ac781135a3c93f5e22bb313a21cc25991b&#39;, null, event)" pairnum="50"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted" keyindex="45"><div class="collapsed" style="display:none"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">[+]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/thelittleking" class="author gray id-t2_5cvix">thelittleking</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span> <time title="Mon Jun 25 15:22:07 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T15:22:07.956619+00:00">1 hour</time> ago &nbsp;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return showcomment(this)">(0 children)</a></div><div class="noncollapsed"><p class="tagline"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="expand" onclick="return hidecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/thelittleking" class="author id-t2_5cvix userTagged">thelittleking</a> (<span><a class="userTagLink" username="thelittleking" title="set a tag" href="javascript:void(0)">_</a></span>) <a href="javascript:void(0)" class="voteWeight" style="display: inline; background-color: rgb(247, 255, 247); " title="your votes for thelittleking: +1">[+1]</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span><span title="Mon Jun 25 2012 16:22:07 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)"> </span><time title="Mon Jun 25 15:22:07 2012 UTC" datetime="2012-06-25T15:22:07.956619+00:00">1 hour</time> ago (<span class="res_comment_ups">1</span>|<span class="res_comment_downs">0</span>)</p><form action="http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSRecovery/comments/vjswa/srs_i_am_a_shitlord_lets_talk_about_it/#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, &#39;editusertext&#39;)" id="form-t1_c55be9eytw"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_c55be9e"><div class="usertext-body"><div class="md"><p>I'm going to reply to you with something ibowls said upthread in case you gloss over it:</p>
  1528.  
  1529. <blockquote>
  1530. <p>You say you have empathy, and then you continue into showing us that you don't give a fucking shit about other people. I don't think empathy means what you think it means, bro.</p>
  1531. </blockquote>
  1532.  
  1533. <p>This seriously cannot be stressed enough and should be emphasized. You <em>realize</em> that you <em>should</em> be aware and care about how you influence others, you just <em>don't</em>. That is not empathy.</p>
  1534.  
  1535. <p>And, frankly, I think people should be empathetic. So does most of SRS, I imagine. I don't see what is so difficult for you to understand about this.</p>
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value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Adds an [l+c] link that opens a link and the comments page in new tabs for you in one click.</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="commentPreview">Live Comment Preview:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="commentPreview" checked="" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Provides a live preview of comments, as well as shortcuts for easier markdown.</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="usernameHider">Username Hider:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="usernameHider" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">This module hides your real username when you're logged in to reddit.</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="showImages">Inline Image Viewer:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="showImages" checked="" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Opens images inline in your browser with the click of a button. Also has configuration options, check it out!</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="showKarma">Show Comment Karma:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="showKarma" checked="" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Shows your comment karma next to your link karma.</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="hideChildComments">Hide All Child Comments:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="hideChildComments" checked="" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Allows you to hide all comments except for replies to the OP for easier reading.</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="showParent">Show Parent on Hover:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="showParent" checked="" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Shows parent comment when hovering over the "parent" link of a comment.</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="neverEndingReddit">Never Ending Reddit:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="neverEndingReddit" value="true"> <span 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for="spamButton">Spam Button:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="spamButton" checked="" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Adds a Spam button to posts for easy reporting.</span></p><p class="moduleListing"><label for="commentNavigator">Comment Navigator:</label> <input type="checkbox" name="commentNavigator" checked="" value="true"> <span class="moduleDescription">Provides a comment navigation tool to easily find comments by OP, mod, etc.</span></p><span id="RESConsoleModulesPanelButtons"><input id="savePrefs" type="button" name="savePrefs" value="save"><input id="resetPrefs" type="button" name="resetPrefs" value="reset to default"></span><p class="clear" style="display: block; "></p></div><div id="RESConsoleConfigPanel" class="RESPanel"><label for="RESConfigPanelSelector">Configure module: </label><select id="RESConfigPanelSelector"><option value="">Select Module</option><option value="RESTips">RES Tips and Tricks</option><option value="accountSwitcher">Account Switcher</option><option value="betteReddit">betteReddit</option><option value="commentNavigator">Comment Navigator</option><option value="commentPreview">Live Comment Preview</option><option value="filteReddit">filteReddit</option><option value="hideChildComments">Hide All Child Comments</option><option value="keyboardNav">Keyboard Navigation</option><option value="neverEndingReddit">Never Ending Reddit</option><option value="newCommentCount">New Comment Count</option><option value="saveComments">Save Comments</option><option value="showImages">Inline Image Viewer</option><option value="showKarma">Show Comment Karma</option><option value="showParent">Show Parent on Hover</option><option value="singleClick">Single Click Opener</option><option value="spamButton">Spam Button</option><option value="styleTweaks">Style Tweaks</option><option value="subRedditTagger">Subreddit Tagger</option><option value="uppersAndDowners">Uppers and Downers Enhanced</option><option value="userHighlight">User Highlighter</option><option value="userTagger">User Tagger</option><option value="usernameHider">Username Hider</option></select><div id="RESConfigPanelOptions"></div></div><div id="RESConsoleAboutPanel" class="RESPanel"> <p>Author: <a target="_blank" href="http://reddit.honestbleeps.com/">honestbleeps</a><br></p> <p>Description: Reddit Enhancement Suite is a collection of modules that make browsing reddit a bit nicer.</p> <p>License: Reddit Enhancement Suite is released under the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html">GPL v3.0</a>.</p> <p>It's built with <a target="_blank" href="http://reddit.honestbleeps.com/api">an API</a> that allows you to contribute and include your own modules!</p> <p>If you've got bug reports, you'd like to discuss RES, or you'd like to converse with other users, please see the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Enhancement/">Enhancement subreddit.</a> </p> <p>If you want to contact me directly with suggestions, bug reports or just want to say you appreciate the work, an <a href="mailto:steve@honestbleeps.com">email</a> would be great.</p> <p>If you really, really like the work, a contribution would be much appreciated.</p> <p> </p><form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post"><input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_s-xclick"><input type="hidden" name="hosted_button_id" value="S7TAR7QU39H22"><input type="image" src="./shitlordery_files/btn_donateCC_LG.gif" border="0" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!"><img alt="" border="0" src="./shitlordery_files/pixel.gif" width="1" height="1"></form> <p></p> <p></p> <p>                  Or use Google Checkout:                         </p><form action="https://checkout.google.com/api/checkout/v2/checkoutForm/Merchant/474530516020369" id="BB_BuyButtonForm" method="post" name="BB_BuyButtonForm" target="_top">                                 <input name="item_name_1" type="hidden" value="Purchase - Reddit Enhancement Suite">                            <input name="item_description_1" type="hidden" value="purchase">                                <input name="item_quantity_1" type="hidden" value="1">                          $<input name="item_price_1" type="text" value="" size="2">                              <input name="item_currency_1" type="hidden" value="USD">                                <input name="_charset_" type="hidden" value="utf-8">                            <input alt="" src="./shitlordery_files/buy.gif" type="image">                   </form> <p></p> <p><strong>Note:</strong> Reddit Enhancement Suite will check, at most once a day, to see if a new version is available.  No data about you is sent to me nor is it stored.</p>                 </div></div></div><div id="keyHelp"><table><thead><tr><th>Key</th><th>Function</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td>shift-/</td><td>Show help</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>Show/hide commandline 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