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  1. Dienstag, 15. September 2015
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  3. [12:11:00] *** [KNFr] Rhetoric möchte Sie auf Skype hinzufügen
  4.  
  5. Hallo ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ, ich möchte Sie als Kontakt aufnehmen. I am one of the admins for Horse-News.net, and heard you might want to speak to someone not involved in recent events to ask you your side of the story. ***
  6. [12:11:35] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If you wish to talk with someone impartial, I am available to do so.
  7. [12:14:10 | Bearbeitet 12:14:19] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Basically, if you want a chance to tell us your side of the story and provide evidence thereby, you have that.
  8. [12:22:09] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: hello.
  9. [12:22:13] *** ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ hat Kontaktdetails mit [KNFr] Rhetoric ausgetauscht. ***
  10. [12:23:00] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I'm currently in the process of compiling a timeline of evidence against every claim in that article.
  11. [12:23:21] [KNFr] Rhetoric: May I see what you have so far?
  12. [12:23:26] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I also have witnesses to some of what I've endured and recordings of the abuse of my father and brother.
  13. [12:23:41] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: hmm. well first of all I never made nearly as much as was claimed.
  14. [12:23:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, from what I have heard over this whole spiel, there are two issues we'd like to get some clarification on.
  15. [12:25:12] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: The first GoFundMe never converted out of US dollars for some reason, and I recieved considerably less then what was stated in the fund.
  16. [12:25:14] [KNFr] Rhetoric: 1) Claims of abuse and proof thereof. I don't think it's necessary to prove or disprove this because it would be difficult to.
  17. That said, I think number 2 is what we should focus on, which is:
  18. 2) Purpose of earning the money off of Gofundme, what it was supposed to be used for, and what it was actually used for.
  19. [12:25:38] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ:
  20. First gofundme-$2011.00
  21.  
  22. $500.00-First months rent
  23. $485.00-Plane ticket to get away
  24. $300.00-Food
  25. $200.00-Clothes
  26. $100-To Minty for food ect while I was with him.
  27. Most of whatever was left was transfered to my aunt later when she could no longer support me and the twins and it was used on food, school clothes and medicine for me. There was 73.28 dollars left and my aunt and uncle had only about 300$ left in their bank account when I made the plea for the second GoFundMe.
  28. [12:26:05] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I have proof of the abuse. At least some recordings of my dad flipping his shit and threatening my life.
  29. [12:26:15] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: As well as witnesses which can attest to that.
  30. [12:26:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, like I said, I'd rather focus on what the money was spent on vs. what it was meant to be spent on.
  31. [12:26:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: That, I believe, would be your best way to defend yourself.
  32. [12:28:46] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Second GoFundMe-$2845.50
  33. $2700.00-transfered to my aunt for four months rent plus whatever other living expenses I may need. Snacks, personal hygeine items, more clothing, ect. I arrived here with only a suitcase and maybe four outfits.
  34. [12:29:22] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In a situation such as these, sticking to the provable facts would be the best defense. We'll take you at your word that you were indeed abused, because there's no real way to prove or disprove that. I can only hope you tell the truth in these, because that will help your case further.
  35. [12:29:23] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: So I had to get things to live after the initial threat of being forced to return home because she couldn't support me passed.
  36. [12:30:06] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now going through what you have told me, you said $100 was sent to Minty Root for expenses, correct?
  37. [12:30:14] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: hmm. Alright. And yes
  38. [12:30:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: According to the article, I'm going over what was provided, it states $300 was sent to him.
  39. [12:33:01] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The source is the picture in said article, here. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Vy9QMH04muw/VfX9hdOw0oI/AAAAAAAAAHY/M5IBnIOwc1U/s1600/10.png
  40. [12:33:16] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Let's start on that one, since it'
  41. [12:33:18] [KNFr] Rhetoric: It's small.
  42. [12:33:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What was really owed to him, and what was paid?
  43. [12:33:49] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You told me earlier 100, he claims 300. There's a bit of an inconsistency I'd like to clear up.
  44. [12:40:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Speaking with him just now, to verify things, he said your debt of 300 was paid off in full.
  45. [12:40:50] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Other things such as what happened in said room are trivial matters that need no explaining.
  46. [12:42:44] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Here is what he told me.
  47. [12:36:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: How much did Fallen Wish owe you and pay you?
  48. [12:36:40] Minty Root: 300 and 300.
  49. [12:36:58] Minty Root: She paid back all the money she owed.
  50. [12:37:08] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright.
  51. [12:43:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, he tells me 300, you told me 100. I'm curious to what the real figure was. Was it really 300 as he claims?
  52. [12:43:26] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or is he wrong?
  53. [12:44:03 | Bearbeitet 12:45:35] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: No. $300 was owed and $300 was paid. $100 came from my GoFundMe, admittedly as I didn't have the full means to pay him at the time, and it was for something logical, board and food. The other $200 was made myself.
  54.  
  55. I was living off him for over a week. After I left my previous home my mother went to the bank and cleaned out my account. Luckily I had some stashed away in my paypal but was only partially able to pay him at the time.
  56. $300 was sent to him, but $200 of that was made myself through various means, to which I am still making money off of now. Audio editing, art commissions, babysitting, dog walking, petsitting, house cleaning ect. Even Anthony can atest to the babysitting as he's heard them multiple times. I have pictures of the dogs I was taking care of, ect.
  57.  
  58. I won't need any more financial support as cheques will be coming in from the goverment reguarily starting next month. I've been prevented from working by the Ontario Autism Asociation, Ontario Mental Health Clinic, and Ontario Works, until I am 'mentally stable'. Which is why I did not imediately get a job.
  59.  
  60. Other things that went on in the room are irrelevant to this case. It is simply Corp being malicious.
  61.  
  62. And no. I will not be attending Ciderfest. This was decided BEFORE the article was published or I gained knowledge that Corp had a large document, filled with very personal, private things on me. My full name, my phone number, private Facebook conversations, even my grandparents phone number. I found it very disturbing and invasive. Its a lot worse then that sunshine document he made public.
  63. [9/10/2015 4:12:36 PM] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I aint going. Have fun without me.
  64. [12:45:27] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright, so that part is cleared.
  65. [12:46:17] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, as clear as it can be. Though, the part about 100 coming from the GoFundMe and the 200 coming from wherever leaves another question open.
  66. [12:46:20] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But we'll get to that later.
  67. [12:48:26] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: oh?
  68. [12:50:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What I'm personally curious about is also stated in the writer's article, so I'll just ask. You started the first GFM with a target goal of CAD $5000.
  69. [12:50:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Only raising up to CAD $2,995
  70. [12:50:58] [KNFr] Rhetoric: This money was meant to be used for what?
  71. [12:51:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The article states, and I quote, "Someone bought her a plane ticket so she was able to get away from her parents and fly across the country to Montreal, where she roomed with an online friend for a week. And then it was off to BronyCon!"
  72. [12:52:12] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Can you verify if those accounting of events are true or false? Keep in mind, I personally have no clue what really happened, so I'm just going by proving or disproving what was claimed in the article.
  73. [12:55:16] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If it were easier, would you like to do a Skype call?
  74. [12:56:26] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I never recieved that much from the first GoFundMe or anywhere close.
  75. It was meant to be used to get away from my home. Someone did buy me my ticket and another bought me a convention ticket. But the convention pass was given as a gift. The plane ticket was a loan. It was nearly $500 and I had to pay it all back, and did so with the gofundme money, as the flight was crucial to getting away from home. I did room with a friend for a week then go to BronyCon, but not a penny of gofundme money was spent on the con. In fact it was almost a full two weeks AFTER BronyCon before I recived the GoFundMe money where I proceeded to use some to pay back Minty, and the plane ticket and gave the rest to my aunt. By the time I needed more money and even my aunt was running low I only had $73.28 of the original gofundme money left.
  76. [12:57:42] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I don't think thats a good idea at this point. For starters I'm doing chores, and secondly I am very wary about being recorded without my consent in calls. For obvious reasons.
  77. [12:57:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So person 1 bought you a plane ticket.
  78. Person 2 bought you a Bronycon ticket.
  79. Total of $500, in which you paid back with GFM money.
  80. [12:58:05] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Fair enough.
  81. [12:58:38] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Yes. But I never had to pay back the BronyCon ticket. It was a gift.
  82. [12:59:04] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So it was just the plane ticket that was worth $500.. I assume CAD correct?
  83. [12:59:28] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Yes.
  84. [13:00:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now the plane ticket was to where?
  85. [13:01:07] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: From Edmonton Alberta to Montreal Quebec.
  86. [13:03:12] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And that was just one way?
  87. [13:03:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or was there a return flight back home involved?
  88. [13:04:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Just trying to do a comparison right now with what's available, and if that were the case, would help you out in that small bit.
  89. [13:04:44] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Otherwise if it were one way, I'd say you got a bit ripped off, lol.
  90. [13:05:28] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: It was one way.
  91. [13:07:04] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: The exact cost was $487.00
  92. [13:07:19] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But that cost would be applicable if it were round trip.
  93. [13:07:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: One way is half that.
  94. [13:07:46] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: One way was that much at that time.
  95. [13:10:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Ach, so dumb of me. It defaulted to showing dates in October as a comparison.
  96. [13:12:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: http://i.imgur.com/RRKLUeP.png
  97. [13:13:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: This is what I found, at least as a comparison to what you told me.
  98. [13:13:35] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: hmm. Well the time when I left was right at the end of July.
  99. [13:14:21] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Mind you, the prices found are ones if you were to buy today for a flight tomorrow. Was that the case when you left your parent's house?
  100. [13:14:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or was there a time delay between purchase and flight?
  101. [13:15:51] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If it were bought in haste, like I put as a search for an example, that explains why it was so much for that flight alone.
  102. [13:16:11] [KNFr] Rhetoric: While not exactly $500, it's close enough to cover taxes/expenses and such.
  103. [13:16:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Is that the case?
  104. [13:16:43] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: It was purchased two days before I left.
  105. [13:17:27] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: My dad threatened my life and scared the shit out of me. It looked like a truck hit our damn washing machine. And he'd hurt me...So I begged someone to help me and someone answered. I got out two days later.
  106. [13:17:36] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I see.
  107. [13:19:45] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So the $500 was used for the flight alone?
  108. [13:20:41] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: yes.
  109. [13:23:36] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now, was any of the GFM money used for Bronycon at all? From either the first or second?
  110. [13:23:50] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Directly or indirectly.
  111. [13:26:20] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You said 100 of the 300 was used for Minty's room. That much is known.
  112. [13:26:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What else was there?
  113. [13:27:05] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Doing the math here, and to keep this on focus: there is a total of 2,995 raised from the first GFM.
  114. [13:27:27] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Assuming that was the main source during the bulk of this, 100 was accounted for, so was another 500
  115. [13:27:56] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, the rest we have remaining is $2,395.
  116. [13:29:03] [KNFr] Rhetoric: To clarify, you said yourself that $100 was spent on Bronycon for the room, $500 for the flight from Edmonton to Québec.
  117. [13:29:11] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Paid back after the fact.
  118. [13:29:16] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Well. Yes. Indirectly part of that 100$ that I used from the gofundme to pay Minty for staying with him was partly for food he had to buy me at BronyCon because I had no money left to buy myself food. I ran out of food money on Saturday. He lent me a few bucks now and then for food afterwards which I included in the 100. But I'd also bought him food when we returned with Canadian money that I couldn't have exchanged anywhere there.
  119. The $200 I made myself was used to help pay for the room, and was not associated with the GoFundMe at all.
  120. [13:29:41] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright.
  121. [13:30:02] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And yes. $500 went towards the plane ticket.
  122. [13:30:17] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now, for the rest of the $2,395 from the GFM - what became of that?
  123. [13:30:29] [KNFr] Rhetoric: From the first GFM, I should say.
  124. [13:30:35] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Because there were two involved.
  125. [13:31:35] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But to my knowledge off this article, that second one was not used until far after Bronycon.
  126. [13:31:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So we
  127. [13:31:38] [KNFr] Rhetoric: We
  128. [13:31:48] [KNFr] Rhetoric: We'll focus on the first one for now.
  129. [13:32:59] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Right, so that's a total of $600 from the initial total of $2995. For conversations sake we'll use CAD as the reference currency from here on out.
  130. [13:33:11] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I already told you. I did not get that much. It did narrow down to just barely over 2000 dollars that I recived from the gofundme.
  131. [13:33:27] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So you received it in what currency?
  132. [13:33:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And how much?
  133. [13:33:58] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: USD. But when I attempted to exchange it, it did convert to Canadian money but was no more then what I'd recieved in USD.
  134. [13:34:02 | Bearbeitet 13:34:12] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: First gofundme-$2011.00
  135. $500.00-First months rent
  136. $487.00-Plane ticket to get away
  137. $300.00-Food
  138. $200.00-Clothes
  139. $100-To Minty for food ect while I was with him.
  140. Most of whatever was left was transfered to my aunt later when she could no longer support me and the twins and it was used on food, school clothes and medicine for me. There was 73.28 dollars left and my aunt and uncle had only about 300$ left in their bank account when I made the plea for the second GoFundMe.
  141. [13:35:48] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: When I first got here i becamed awfully ill. I could scarcely do anything. They thought I had pink eye because my eyes were so infected because of allergies I couldn't hardly open them and they were crusty and goopy all the time. Plus I had chest problems and such. My aunt got low on money because I needed these various antibiotics that cost ridiculous ammounts.
  142. [13:35:57] [KNFr] Rhetoric: $500.00-First months rent
  143. $487.00-Plane ticket to get away
  144. $300.00-Food
  145. $200.00-Clothes
  146. $100-To Minty for food ect while I was with him.
  147. Adding all these together net me a $1,587 expense. There was $424 unaccounted for.
  148. [13:36:19] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Where is this 73 dollar figure coming from?
  149. [13:36:30] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: That went towards medicine and food and such afterwards.
  150. [13:36:55] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But didn't the initial 300 cover the food in what you told me?
  151. [13:37:16] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Most of whatever was left was transfered to my aunt later when she could no longer support me and the twins and it was used on food, school clothes and medicine for me. There was 73.28 dollars left and my aunt and uncle had only about 300$ left in their bank account when I made the plea for the second GoFundMe.Yes. That was before my aunt ran out of money.
  152. [13:40:35] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So out of the $424, your aunt spent $351, leaving you with only $73 dollars left?
  153. [13:40:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I assume you held on to that money, right?
  154. [13:41:16] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: something like that. And yes. I still have it. I intended to donate $10 to each of the other fundraisers I'm helping.
  155. [13:42:49] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Two things confuse me though.
  156. [13:42:57] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And what is that?
  157. [13:43:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The school clothes part. Are you currently enrolled in classes while at your aunt's?
  158. [13:43:52] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And the other is why use what's left of the GFM money donated to you, to donate out to others? Especially if you are in need of it.
  159. [13:44:29] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm not seeing why you would do that. Quite frankly, it's using others donated money to donate to more stuff.
  160. [13:44:36] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Making it spiral out into one big mess.
  161. [13:48:04] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: No. I am not. I am hoping to attend secondary education next fall though, should I be financially stable.
  162. The school clothes were for my aunts 11 year old twin girls. She used their school clothes money when we were getting low on money to help me.
  163. And its because I felt that was the right thing to do. I hate seeing anyone in need struggling. And I only decided to donate after I recieved money from the second GoFundMe, and managed to get into a stable financial point. Plus with more money coming in from the goverment starting next month I felt since I had some left it would be good to give back to the community for all they have done for me.
  164. [13:48:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I see.
  165. [13:51:56] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So the money for classes is not really spent then?
  166. [13:52:01] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Just put to the side?
  167. [13:54:24] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: No. I was never going to use it on education either. Theres $218.78 left out of all of this. And depending on the Autism Asociation I may be able to enrol in college for free.
  168. [13:56:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: $218.78 of the GFM money?
  169. [13:57:16] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: yes. the original $73.28 from the first one and what was left of the other after I gave my aunt $2700 of it.
  170. [13:59:39] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What was the total of the second GFM?
  171. [13:59:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I see from the GFM page
  172. [13:59:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: http://www.gofundme.com/pc2uvhju
  173. [13:59:53] [KNFr] Rhetoric: £2,170
  174. [14:01:09] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: 2845.50 CAN
  175. [14:02:09] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So out of $2845.50 CAN, you gave $2700 of it to your aunt for... what?
  176. [14:02:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Leaving you with $145.50
  177. [14:03:34] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Four months rent, and other things such as winter clothes, bedding, snacks, ect. Whatever is needed. That way I won't have to worry about it for a few months. And I don't have control of the money.
  178. [14:03:50] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So living expenses then?
  179. [14:03:58] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: yes.
  180. [14:04:35] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: The rest of what is there has been tucked away in my paypal in case of emergency. And I still want to donate $10 to each of the others I'm attempting to help.
  181. [14:08:58] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But herein lies a huge huge problem.
  182. [14:09:34] [KNFr] Rhetoric: £2170 to CAD equals $4410.80
  183. [14:10:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If what you told me is true about your $2845.50 CAD, there is still a whopping $1565.30 CAD missing.
  184. [14:12:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Based on what you told me, there's still a lot of money missing.
  185. [14:12:51] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or at least unaccounted for.
  186. [14:15:09] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And if it were in USD, £2170 equals $3329.54 USD.
  187. [14:15:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In either situation, there's still a good chunk of money unaccounted for.
  188. [14:15:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What really happened to it? Because I'
  189. [14:15:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm going to be very honest here, it's not looking good.
  190. [14:17:21] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So what happened with the missing $1565.30 CAD?
  191. [14:19:31] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Going by the article again, it says you had planned on using that money to go to Ponyville Ciderfest.
  192. [14:19:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Which I recall you claiming earlier that was retracted.
  193. [14:19:50] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Because of backlash, I assume?
  194. [14:20:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Which begs the question, if this girl is in such dire situations, it would be best to stay put in a safe place (your aunts) and not spend donated money on needless things like conventions, so why would you go?
  195. [14:21:05] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, what really happened, or will happen?
  196. [14:21:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Because you do realise that if you were to do that, you'd be committing fraud with that 2nd GFM money, right?
  197. [14:22:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Which from what I see, was donated to you for getting you out of a bad situation and keeping you out of it. No one is denying the credibility of said situation, but at the same time; it would be very fraudulent to use that donated money to go to a convention.
  198. [14:26:58] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: No. I was not intending to use any money on Ciderfest. And I had decided not to go, as I stated earlier before any of this information was made public or I was even made aware of what Corp was planning. And it was because of personal family issues, as well as problems with my initial means of transportation. And I did not recive that much money from the second donation. Not even close.
  199. [14:27:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So he kept a chunk of it for himself?
  200. [14:28:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: 2170 pounds were raised, he only gave you 1450?
  201. [14:28:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: That must be some incredibly high taxes.
  202. [14:29:38] [KNFr] Rhetoric: When he takes a quarter of it.
  203. [14:29:40] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I have no idea, but I assure you this is all I recived.
  204. [14:32:02] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What was the date, on which he sent you the money?
  205. [14:33:42] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: September 9th
  206. [14:34:21] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And when did the GFM end?
  207. [14:34:27] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The 2nd one.
  208. [14:38:07] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Do you know?
  209. [14:39:54] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: umm...Not really. I didn't have much to do with the GoFundMe's at all. It ended when the last person donated but I don't think Poke shut down the GoFundMe yet and when I'd asked him to he stated he didn't know how, so we are waiting until the guy that knows how comes back online.
  210. [14:40:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright, we'll here's a little fact I think you might find interesting.
  211. [14:41:02] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: and what is that?
  212. [14:41:10] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The Horse-News article in question was posted on 14.09.2015.
  213. [14:41:21] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now, at the time the 2nd GFM campaign was still open.
  214. [14:41:34] [KNFr] Rhetoric: It has only just closed earlier today.
  215. [14:41:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: 15.09.2015.
  216. [14:41:56] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You claimed you got the money on 09.09.2015.
  217. [14:42:08] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What do you make of that?
  218. [14:42:08] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: yesterday. Yes I know. We aren't taking any more donations and trying to figure out how to close it. But I don't really know much of anything to do with that. I didn't host it.
  219. [14:45:55] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I see. Well, I'm going to go get some food right now. Would you still be available in say, 1 to 2 hours from now?
  220. [14:46:50] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: idk. Depends. Probably.
  221. [14:48:38] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In the meantime, you mentioned at the beginning of our convo about some timeline you had to disprove the author's claims.
  222. [14:48:47 | Bearbeitet 14:49:06] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Would it be okay if I see it?
  223. [14:49:25] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I can't get it to you yet. One of my friends is putting it together for me and he's currently offline.
  224. [14:49:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright, well then keep me posted on it.
  225. [14:49:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'll be back soon.
  226. [14:50:44] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: of course. In the meantime I'll try and help my friend figure out how to shut down the GoFundMe. He did change the title to (finished) And set the goal at one dollar.
  227. [14:51:10] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Sounds good.
  228. [14:52:06] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If you could also find out if you can, as the receiver, withdraw money from GFM before it closes.
  229. [14:52:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The answer to that is very important, and can either turn the tide in or out of your favor.
  230. [14:52:45] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And its down
  231. [14:54:06] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Also, he sent you pounds, but you got the money in CAD right?
  232. [14:54:37] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: no. I got it in pounds and it automatically converted.
  233. [14:54:51] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In cash?
  234. [14:55:05] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or via other methods of receiving?
  235. [14:55:21] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: In my paypal.
  236. [14:55:34] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright
  237. [17:30:10] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright, I'm back.
  238. [17:30:15] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Was there anything new found?
  239. [17:34:53] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Not really. The friend with the timeline is still absent. But the gofundme was taken down. The host offered to submit the bank statements.
  240. [17:43:47] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Yeah, you might want to find out if you got swindled a bit.
  241. [17:43:58] [KNFr] Rhetoric: By the guy who ran your 2nd one.
  242. [17:44:10] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The numbers don't match up with what you told me.
  243. [17:44:26] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: ok. So the guy who ran the first one is in the clear right? We can forget about the first gofundme now and focus on the second?
  244. [17:47:35] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I wouldn't say in the clear, but I have a better understanding of what happened.
  245. [17:50:54] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: ok. well apart from the second gofundme which i really know nothing about what else do you need because this is getting ridiculously stressful and some of the stuff people have been saying to me and such is just cruel. Someone even drew a man raping my oc, and my oc yelling 'my spine'
  246. [18:00:12] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, I'm trying to find out what happened with the missing money.
  247. [18:01:05] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: well i have no idea.
  248. [18:01:11] [KNFr] Rhetoric: 2170 pounds raised, he only gave you 1450 - the question now is did he take a cut for himself?
  249. [18:01:15] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or is the money elsewhere?
  250. [18:01:39] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or was that 1450 left after GFM takes their cut?
  251. [18:01:58] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If that were the case, why so much? No, I don't think that's the case.
  252. [18:02:17] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: i dont know. Maybe it wasn't all in pounds, and whatever currency it was in converted to less of a price then was shown.
  253. [18:02:45] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, from what you told me and what is shown on the site, there's a good missing chunk of money.
  254. [18:02:48] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or at least unaccounted for.
  255. [18:03:13] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Did you ever question him on that?
  256. [18:03:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or did you just blindly accept what was given to you?
  257. [18:04:56] [KNFr] Rhetoric: There is also the big problem with your use of the fungibility of money.
  258. [18:05:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In laymans terms, substituting money in one hand (zB: the GFM money) and the money you earned off commissions.
  259. [18:06:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Good examples would be your Aunt giving you her money for food/clothing/school supplies or whatever the case may be, and then you giving her back that money in the form of your GFM funds.
  260. [18:47:00] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: What?
  261. [18:48:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Meaning subsituting money you have in one hand, with money you have in another.
  262. [19:57:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Just to show you some figures here in British pounds.
  263. Total amount donated: 2170
  264. Total amount in GFM fees deducted: 108.50
  265. Stripe fee: 65.33
  266. Total fees, that is both GFM and Stripe fees (don't duplicate with above): 173.83
  267. Total you should have received in British Pounds: 1996.17
  268. [19:57:58] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You received 1450
  269. [19:58:16] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So 546.17 GPB is missing.
  270.  
  271. Mittwoch, 16. September 2015
  272.  
  273. [17:02:32] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Excuse me. The gentleman will get me his bank statements tomorrow. His pc is currently under maintinance. I did have a question though. What are Horse News's views on promotion, or self promotion?
  274. [20:04:11] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: My timeline, discrediting Corpulents article.
  275. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uHPfd1BqUmnMw9QEVF09TD61INb9VblWE3FHuRdBuLM/edit?usp=sharing
  276. [22:06:03] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Is it okay if I show him these?
  277. [22:06:39] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: who? Corp? He was already there in the chat trying to argue every point with rather invalid comments.
  278. [22:07:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Oh?
  279. [22:07:03] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The Google Docs chat?
  280. [22:07:14] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: yes
  281. [22:07:39] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If that's the case, then I'll take a back seat and kind of moderate things and keep them on track, rather than confronting things directly.
  282. [22:07:53] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I think at this stage, open communication between you and Corpulent would be the best way to resolve this.
  283. [22:08:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Do you think that sounds fair enough?
  284. [22:08:35] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I do not. He's done nothing but harass me and needlessly insult me.
  285. [22:08:45] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Which is why I want to moderate things.
  286. [22:09:03] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: mm. idk.
  287.  
  288. Donnerstag, 17. September 2015
  289.  
  290. [20:02:03] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I talked to Corp civilly. He won't take down the article but he's said he'll leave me alone.
  291. [22:25:29] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright. Though the thing isn't closed. Particularly where Jason is concerned.
  292. [22:25:45] [KNFr] Rhetoric: We're still looking into it, but apparently yours was not the only one where he "lost money."
  293. [22:25:45] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I know.
  294. [22:25:55] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I know. I heard.
  295. [22:26:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: When we find out more, we'll let you know.
  296. [22:27:16] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: ok. Thanks.
  297. [22:27:28] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: If this is solved is the article going to be removed?
  298. [22:28:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Typically we don't take down articles. I make no promises, but I'll speak with the others.
  299. [22:30:59] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Thank you. I just would appreciate it if there was not fuel for so many people to be coming to me with such hateful words.
  300. [22:32:11] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Its actually kinda getting in the way of me recovering after I moved. Its overly stressful. Also. What are Horse News's views on self promotion? Because you are aware Corp released a video about it on someone elses channel with a larger sum of subs.
  301. [22:33:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm not aware of that video. Mind sharing me a link?
  302. [22:33:22] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: of course. Just give me a moment.
  303. [22:33:40] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Because as far as I'm aware, outside of convention press releases, we don't typically touch the stuff.
  304. [22:34:10] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw2vpyti8QI
  305. [22:34:17] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Here you are good sir.
  306. [22:34:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Exceptions are made, but normally they're for things originating from /mlp/ or 4chan related. A good example would the the 4CC.
  307. [22:35:59] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Looks like this video is just a live-reading recap of the article posted.
  308. [22:36:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What do you mean by self-promotion, anyway?
  309. [22:38:01] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: He's promoted the story, and therefore HN and himself on someone with a large audience's channel.
  310. [22:39:14] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, he was part of Pony Tonite far before he wrote for us.
  311. [22:39:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And when he did, he didn't leave them behind.
  312. [22:39:46] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So that's out of our control.
  313. [22:40:21] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: shrug Ok. Well. Its been brought to your attention now anyways.
  314. [22:40:23] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If you're talking about using the Youtube channel to promote stuff, you gotta talk with them.
  315. [22:40:47] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I feel you might know more of them than us anyway, lol.
  316. [22:41:18] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: meh. not really.
  317. [22:41:26] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Oh, speaking of which though
  318. [22:41:35] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You said yesterday that you were to get bank statements from Jason today.
  319. [22:41:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Did he deliver on his promise?
  320. [22:41:49] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And if so, may I see it?
  321. [22:42:39] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: He never delivered them to me but apparently did so to Muffin and Corp has them as well apparently.
  322. [22:43:27] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Ah, yeah. That's right. I was speaking with Corp earlier this afternoon and he mentioned something about that.
  323. [22:43:49] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: mmhm
  324. [22:43:53] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm a bit surprised he didn't give them to you first.
  325. [22:43:59] [KNFr] Rhetoric: What with you being the beneficiary and all.
  326. [22:44:06] [KNFr] Rhetoric: By he, I mean Jason.
  327. [22:44:11] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: [9/17/2015 8:44:29 PM] Corpulent Brony: OK because MuffinButt showed me a screenshot where he outlined 7 deposits he received from GoFundMe
  328. [9/17/2015 8:44:48 PM] Corpulent Brony: I was able to very easily match each of these up to a donation amount from GFM in the spreadsheet I linked on your video
  329. [22:44:31] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Idk. I thought he would have too but he hasn't spoken to me since yesterday. Ive been trying to reach him all day.
  330. [22:46:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Interesting.
  331. [22:46:03] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Keep me posted, then.
  332.  
  333. Freitag, 18. September 2015
  334.  
  335. [10:21:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, just a small update.
  336. [10:21:38] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I was able to talk to Jason Reynolds aka Poké.
  337. [10:22:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He, like you, also abused the fungibility of money. He claims it was unintentional, of course.
  338. [10:22:43] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But knowing of the other GoFundMe he had control over, for a Muffinbutt, I believe.
  339. [10:23:02] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He apparently also told her, like you, that he had "accidentally" spent the money on a new computer.
  340. [10:23:52] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Let me be brutally honest here, there is no "accidentally" in that situation. I am very certain that it was done intentionally, and that you would be naïve enough to just accept what you were given had we not stepped in.
  341. [10:25:21] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And that his saying sorry, sounds to me more like a "sorry that I got caught," and not a "Sorry, that was a mistake."
  342. [10:25:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.
  343. [10:26:12] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: hmmm...I knew some was missing. I wasn't going to complain though. I did get the help i needed, so who was I to qestion what was missing? Regaurdless I do believe he could have done so unintentionally. Keep in mind that he is a child. 16 years old and on top of that he is not mentally stable. I dont want to believe he would do anything like that.
  344. [10:27:06] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Wait, what? You let a 16 year old, mentally unstable kid from Britain - a land in which you have no legal jurisdiction - handle your money?
  345. [10:27:22] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm sorry, but are you crazy? Why would you do something like that? That's fucking stupid.
  346. [10:27:26] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Yes. Because I trust him.
  347. [10:27:38] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: May have been stupid but it was the only option.
  348. [10:27:48] [KNFr] Rhetoric: See, here I assumed he was an adult over the age of 20.
  349. [10:27:57] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I didn't have anyone else to do it and I was in a bad spot.
  350. [10:27:57] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Clearly that wasn't the case, if what you're telling me is true.
  351. [10:29:18] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In any case, it seems rather odd to me that he is only just paying Muffinbutt and you back the monies owed, after he was confronted about it.
  352. [10:29:56] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I have the gut feeling had we not done so, he would have kept the money. And let me offer you some advice too, when you are owed money, you make sure you keep track of that stuff. Documents, bill statements, whatever.
  353. [10:30:17] [KNFr] Rhetoric: A paper trail does wonders to defend you against this kind of thing from happening.
  354. [10:30:39] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I know. I've been keeping track. He got a long drawn out lecture last night too.
  355. [10:30:45] [KNFr] Rhetoric: From whom?
  356. [10:31:22] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: myself, Eliyora, Wolfkeen and Stardust. Please don't make those names public. Im saying this in confidentiality.
  357. [10:31:38] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I won't.
  358. [10:32:08] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: thank you.
  359. [10:32:41] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Not that I really know who they are anyway, lol. In any case, it's really more about Jason at this point.
  360. [10:33:03] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: mmhm
  361. [10:34:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But don't get me wrong though, you're still also in the wrong for the misuse of the fungibility of money - intentional or not. But in the case of Jason, he tried to do to you the same thing, but intentionally.
  362. [10:34:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In other words, had you let him get away with it
  363. [10:34:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You would have let him scam you.
  364. [10:35:29] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And it's not just you, that other girl who also had her GoFundMe hosted by him.
  365. [10:36:14] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I really didn't know anything about it until you all brought it to my attention.
  366. [10:36:22] [KNFr] Rhetoric: A hard lesson to learn in life, is when it comes to money handling in large amounts, no one is your friend.
  367. [10:36:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You gotta track that shit like your life depended on it.
  368. [10:37:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I mean, honestly, be glad he didn't just tell you both to fuck off, and disappeared with the money.
  369. [10:38:09] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He could have easily done that, and unless you filed charges against him, there'd be fuck all you could do.
  370. [10:39:08] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And no. fungibility was not misused in my case. The only money I gave Minty that came out of my gofundme was for FOOD. A nesescity. I did live off the guy for almost two weeks. Regaurdless I trust Jason. I know money is tricky and must be handled carefully but I wasn't complaining because I was in a bad situation and needed whatever i could get and was damn greatful when I got it.
  371. [10:39:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, that I disagree on. Still, the more important thing at hand currently is what Jason did to your money.
  372. [10:40:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, I want you to keep me posted on when he sends you the money, and for how much.
  373. [10:40:47] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Keep a screenshot of the amount, plus the date+time of him sending.
  374. [10:40:59] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If it's local time, put your time zone in it too.
  375. [10:41:28] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: of course. thanks for your time.
  376.  
  377. Samstag, 19. September 2015
  378.  
  379. [10:16:29] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: For the record.
  380. [10:16:47] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: [9/15/2015 3:59:20 PM] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Did I ever have to pay you back for the BronyCon ticket? And at any point did I do so with donation money. Or was the ticket a gift? (This will go on record)
  381. [1:04:59 PM] Walter Jack Tarr 3rd Tarr: The ticket was a gift so you could have some fun
  382. [10:18:13] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Yeah, you already cleared that part up in the beginning.
  383. [10:18:46] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: mmhm. Well this is just proof
  384. [10:19:18] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now, aside from the 300 you paid off Minty at Bronycon, was there any more money spent? On anything.
  385. [10:20:21] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: From the gofundme? Or at BronyCon
  386. [10:20:52] [KNFr] Rhetoric: From the GoFundMe, during your time at Bronycon.
  387. [10:21:11] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: No.
  388. [10:21:16] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: There was not
  389. [10:21:17] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I mean honestly, I'm still in disagreement as to why you even went to Bronycon in the first place.
  390. [10:21:22] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Considering your situation and all.
  391. [10:21:34] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I think that was a terrible move, and what got you into this mess in the first place.
  392. [10:22:16] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In fact, thinking about it, it IS what got you into this mess in the first place.
  393. [10:22:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Let me try to explain it from an outsider's point of view.
  394. [10:23:01] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You go on this sob story about how your parents are supposedly abusing you. This cannot be proven or disproven easily, and no one is going to take the time to CSI that shit. So, everyone just takes you for your word.
  395. [10:23:26] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So you start up a GoFundMe with someone else running it, and from logs, you yourself said "this feels scammy."
  396. [10:23:41] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Yet you still went ahead with it.
  397. [10:23:59] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Stop. I know. I don't care.
  398. because I was intending to go long before anyone even knew my situation. I had money saved for it but my parents stole it. Forgive me, but I wanted to go meet people who actually gave a fuck and wouldn't beat the shit out of me for no reason. People who were my real family and had been there for me.
  399. And I know. Its been explained more times then I can count.
  400. [10:24:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now, had you just raised the money and got out of your parents to move to your aunts and stayed put there - probably nothing would have happened.
  401. [10:24:53] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But you decided to go to Bronycon anyway. So the people who likely donated were probably thinking, "Well, what the fuck? She told us a different story. Was all that spent just for her ticket to Bronycon? Now I feel cheated."
  402. [10:25:22] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Your parents stole the money before you made the GoFundMe?
  403. [10:25:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm sorry, but what? How did that happen?
  404. [10:26:27] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I had my OWN money I'd been making commisions off of and shit. I had nearly $800 in my bank account. But my mom emptied it.
  405. [10:27:16] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And how did she empty it?
  406. [10:27:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Does she have joint access to your account?
  407. [10:27:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or did she drag you to the bank, and say, "Give me your money."
  408. [10:28:21] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And let me ask you this.
  409. [10:28:27] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Knowing what you just told me.
  410. [10:28:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: How your mom emptied your bank account.
  411. [10:28:44] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If you did not have the GoFundMe money in the first place.
  412. [10:28:56] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Would you have been able to go to Bronycon?
  413. [10:31:49] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Let me clarify this scenario: Your mom emptied your bank account, as you say. Let's pretend there was no GoFundMe for a moment here. In consideration of all that happened, would you still have gone to Bronycon?
  414. [10:32:03] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or would you have been capable of doing so?
  415. [10:32:19] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Without the GFM money.
  416. [10:32:20] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: YES.
  417.  
  418. She DID. I deleted the bank account though when I left and started a new one. I started putting more commission money and shit into it instead. Thats how I intended to go to BronyCon. I wouldn't have gone if I hadn't of made the money myself. Regaurdless the new account, she also got access to because she went to the fucking idiots who work in the bank, whom were her friends and pleaded me mentally unstable. She got access into my account. She completely cleaned that one out too while I was at Minty's. He had to buy me food and shit while I was there which is what I paid him back for. It was a NECESITY!
  419.  
  420. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I GOT THE GOFUNDME AFTER BRONYCON!
  421.  
  422. And I'd told EVERYONE I was going to BronyCon if I could make some money myself. I had a free ride, free ticket and a bit money I made afterward for food and shit.
  423. [10:35:11] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright. Do you have a screenshot showing the date and time of the first payment?
  424. [10:35:32] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Ive given it to you THREE times now!
  425. [10:36:55] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Okay, so 26. August is when you received it. 07. August was Bronycon.
  426. [10:37:04] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Alright, well, at least that part checks out.
  427. [10:39:02] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Thats because I am not lying. I've been trying to tell you people for over a week now! Corpulent has a freaking vendetta against me! He's been twisting my words to get what he wants, to sound like I did something I didn't do! This is ridiculous!
  428. [10:39:38] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: He even FAKED a date in the damn article, and I disproved it and yet nobodies paid ANY attention to that!
  429. [10:40:14] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He has no vendetta against you. He's reporting on what he felt fishy. Because the Rift Café had instances where fraud was being committed before, from what he told me was the Keystone thing or whatever it was called. Key something
  430. [10:42:07] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Which date do you believe he faked?
  431. [10:42:10] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Be as detailed as possible.
  432. [10:42:37] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: She has nothing to do with that. He tried to call her a fraud and it was COMPLETELY disproven! And he does. One of his biggest reasons for doing this is to piss of my boyfriend, because those two have been at one anothers throats for a LONG time.
  433. [10:42:47] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And the date he faked was the date where I confronted him.
  434. [10:42:53] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: When I said HOW DARE YOU
  435. [10:43:10] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: The date was WRONG on that part of the article.
  436. [10:48:12] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Interesting.
  437. [10:48:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So your screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/hQEQfmY.png
  438. Vs his: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M3h_U0lcwcM/VfX6sxwLaPI/AAAAAAAAAGE/B1Q79G9lWUY/s1600/07.png
  439. [10:49:17] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I can get into a call with you and screenshare if you want.
  440. [10:50:01] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Obviously you never bothered to look at my counter article, disproving a bunch of stuff in his, because this and the money thing was explained PLUS a bunch of other stuff was disproven.
  441. [10:50:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I did actually look at it.
  442. [10:52:10] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Okay, I see what happened with the dates.
  443. [10:52:15] [KNFr] Rhetoric: As far as his screenshot goes.
  444. [10:52:31] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Both 07.08.2015 and 28.08.2015 fall both on a Friday.
  445. [10:52:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Skype is just fucking retarded when it comes to displaying dates.
  446. [10:53:04] [KNFr] Rhetoric: It won't show the actual numerical date until after a week has passed.
  447. [10:53:13] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Especially if there was a long break in the convo.
  448. [10:54:36] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Then why has nothing been done? I have witnesses, I have proof of the abuse, blah blah blah. If I really freaking get into it, compile all this stuff and release a video Horse News will be disproven and no one will ever remotely take anything HN says seriously again. This will be one too many times, but I've been patiently and quietly trying to resolve this. However you all just come up with more excueses to keep it up. I can take this to a video if you'd like. I have a lot of horse famous people on my side. I've done nothing wrong and I am sick and tired of HN's bs morals. If you won't take an obviously disproven article down. Then I'll speak up. See what the rest of the fandom thinks.
  449. [10:55:12] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So in that I conclude both screenshots to be true. Depending on the computer settings, Skype takes the same date format. But if there's a break in the conversation, ending at 07.08.2015, and resuming at 28.08.2015, both dates fall on a Friday.
  450. [10:55:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Neither his or your screenshots were fake.
  451. [11:01:56] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: It doesn't matter. Numerous other things have been disproven. The ammount of money I made didn't even come close to what's listed in the title. That article is full of lies, and despite everything I've disproven HN refuses to take it down. Its disgusting, underhanded and ILLEGAL. I've been quiet until now but I don't think I should keep my mouth shut any longer because this is ridiculous. This is wrong.
  452. [11:10:44] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm talking with Corpulent right now.
  453. [11:10:50] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He says this:
  454. [11:08] Corpulent Brony:
  455.  
  456. <<< i am looking for claims i made that could possibly be in that arena
  457. Besides all this, as soon as the GoFundMe money came in, she – wait for it – paid off her BronyCon debt of CAD $300!
  458. that is from the article
  459. totally invalidates above her saying i said she spent the actual GFM money at con
  460. plus she didn't pay the $300 she owed minty root until the GFM money came in
  461. yet somehow only $100 of that was from GFM
  462. [11:12:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: To clarify, you owed Minty 300 dollars. You told me 100 was from your own pocket, 200 from the GFM. We already established that.
  463. [11:13:04] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He [Corp] finds it strange you only paid Minty after receiving the GFM money.
  464. [11:14:15] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: no. I paid 231 from my own pocket and paid the rest with the GFM money.
  465. [11:16:22] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: I had 231 in my paypal. From what I'd made. I waited to pay him after so I could pay him back in full and it was money I used for FOOD! Should I have not eated at all the entirety of my stay with him?
  466. [11:16:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: No one is saying that. You're the one saying that. Please try not to get so hysterical, we're only trying to figure out what went happened.
  467. [11:17:06] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: fungability has nothing to do with it. His definition of fungability is fucked up.
  468. [11:17:25] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The definition of fungibility is accepted worldwide.
  469. [11:17:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He only quoted it.
  470. [11:17:35] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I fail to see how that's fucked up.
  471. [11:18:11] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And no you're not! I've disproven several things already. You're just still 'trying to figure it out' so you can have the article up longer. So you can pretend he's not in the wrong.
  472. [11:18:23] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And the definition he gave was wrong.
  473. [11:18:48] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Okay, what was wrong about it? You tell me then, what is the definition of the fungibility of money.
  474. [11:18:54] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsGfn6liJ8E
  475. [11:20:40] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Looking at this, there's a mistake Vida made.
  476. [11:21:03] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He said that if one has a 10 dollar bill in one hand, and two 5's in another, he says that equals 15 dollars.
  477. [11:21:11] [KNFr] Rhetoric: That's wrong, and throws the whole thing off.
  478. [11:21:36] [KNFr] Rhetoric: 0:34 in
  479. [11:23:20] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Basic math here, 10 in one hand, two 5 dollar bills in the other hand aka 10 dollars.
  480. [11:23:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Total 10+10=20.
  481. [11:23:44] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He says 15, which throws off his entire argument right from the get go.
  482. [11:24:30] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, I can't take that video seriously as proof.
  483. [11:24:47] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: He made a mistake. That doesn't make his argument invalid. Stop fishing. Stop making up exuses because you are doing exactly what I just said. You're trying to make excuses.
  484. [11:25:02] [KNFr] Rhetoric: How am I making up excuses when the proof is wrong?
  485. [11:25:11] [KNFr] Rhetoric: 10+10 does not equal 15.
  486. [11:25:20] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So to use that as the baseline for his argument makes no sense.
  487. [11:25:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Ergo, the attempt of proof you provided me is wrong.
  488. [11:25:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: There's no conspiracy here.
  489. [11:25:41] [KNFr] Rhetoric: There's no excuse making.
  490. [11:25:49] [KNFr] Rhetoric: It's just flat out wrong, and that's all there is to it.
  491. [11:26:37] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: he was giving an example and made a mistake. The rest of his case is solid. Theres no way to fucking get around that. STOP LOOKING FOR ANY EXCSUE TO DEFEND CORPULENTS ACTIONS. You just don't want horse news to look bad but it will in the end if you keep it up.
  492. [11:28:07] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm not defending his actions at all. You seem to think we're boogeymen or something.
  493. [11:29:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: 0:34 "Let's say I have a 10 dollar bill in one hand, and two 5 dollar bills in the other hand. According to Corp, I don't have a 10 and two 5's, I have 15 dollars."
  494. Then he looks flustered as he says the 10 is equal to the two 5's. But they are. 10+(5+5)=20, and can be used interchangably.
  495. [11:30:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But let's go on the rest of the video.
  496. [11:30:37] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: He is doing something wrong to spite someone. I've given you proof. Time and time again. Disproving points and such in his article, which I may also add was FULL of shit talking and insults. I have gone against his article and PROVEN myself, yet you still look for any little fucking thing to carry on trying to prove his article. Its getting old really fast and I will speak up to the public about this.
  497. [11:32:01] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Well, here's another hole in Vida's video.
  498. [11:32:06] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And you can clearly see for yourself.
  499. [11:32:55] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He paints another scenario at around 0:53
  500. [11:34:31] [KNFr] Rhetoric: He says:
  501. "Let's say I have 10 dollars, and you give me 500 dollars to pay off a bill. I go and spend that 10 dollars for food wherever. That 500 dollars is still intact."
  502. This is true. However, an important piece of the information missing is what the theoretical bill is worth.
  503. [11:34:53] [KNFr] Rhetoric: This part is omitted, but is of importance because it can go both ways.
  504. [11:35:20] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Scenario one: if the bill is worth 500 dollars, and the 500 dollars given by someone else is spent on that bill, then nothing wrong was done and the party is innocent.
  505. [11:37:13] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Scenario two: If the bill was worth more than 500 dollars, and you had intented to combine your 10 dollars in with the 500 someone gave you, but instead spent the 10 on something else. Well, now you've paid off the 500 dollar portion, but you've "wasted" the 10.
  506. [11:37:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Inherently of itself, that's not technically wrong.
  507. [11:37:49] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And here's where it gets complicated, because you can have all sorts of fucked up scenarios going.
  508. [11:38:24] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: he said to pay a bill. Logically in this instance the bill costs $500
  509. [11:39:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Right. In the above two scenarios, technically nothing wrong is done.
  510. [11:39:48] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But, let's say there was a third scenario.
  511. [11:40:01] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Let's say you had the same bill, and we assume it's worth 500 dollars.
  512. [11:40:41] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Prior to receiving 500 dollars from someone else, you only have 10 dollars, and want to buy something that's worth 20 dollars.
  513. [11:41:02] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But, you only have in your hand 10, you would owe 20, but you don't have to pay it off right away.
  514. [11:41:50] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If you did, it would throw the whole thing off: but in this case, and I'm comparing it to your paying off of Minty, and you didn't have to pay him right away.
  515. [11:42:34] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, you have 10 in hand, you owe a total of 20. Say you paid your portion of the 10 right there and then, bringing what you owed down to 10, with a promise of paying the rest back later.
  516. [11:42:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Then you get the 500 dollars as a donation, to be used to pay off the initial $500 bill.
  517. [11:43:13] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You then use 10 out of the 500 to pay off the remaining 10 owed to the second debt.
  518. [11:44:11] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Now, this is a very specific scenario - we can both realize that. And any little thing can turn it around into something good or bad.
  519. [11:45:02] [KNFr] Rhetoric: So, now you're left with $490 in hand, with $500 owed.
  520. [11:45:09] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The 2nd debt has been paid off.
  521. [11:45:32] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You then make yourself some more money by your own means, let's say 10 dollars just to keep things simple.
  522. [11:45:54] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You then put the 10 dollars you made into the remaining 490.
  523. [11:46:09] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Making it a total of 500 and the bill is paid off.
  524. [11:46:41] [KNFr] Rhetoric: On the surface, everything looks good. Both debts are paid off, everyone got what they want, everyone is happy.
  525. [11:46:58] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But the entire time, fungibility was playing a role.
  526. [11:47:19] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Money was substituted from one hand into the other.
  527. [11:49:55] [KNFr] Rhetoric: If that was a bit confusing, this article explains it a bit better.
  528. [11:49:57] [KNFr] Rhetoric: http://aidthoughts.org/?p=1150
  529. [11:50:16] [KNFr] Rhetoric: And I quote
  530. "First, a quick primer on ‘fungibility’
  531.  
  532. True fungibility is the ability to take funds intended for one purpose and spend them on something else. If someone gave me £40 and told me to go spend it on food at Tescos, I could easily go spend it on dvds at HMV, because the funds are fungible.
  533.  
  534. The variation of fungibility that we’re concerned about, which I’ll call indirect fungibility, is the idea that funds earmarked for a specific purpose allows the recipient to divert funds elsewhere. For example, say I need to spend £40 in Tescos anyway to food myself in a week, and someone gives me a £40 gift certificate to shop there. I could spend £80 in tescos (my own money + the gift certificate) but I now prefer to my own £40 on other things. As the gift certificate has “displaced” my expenditure at Tescos, you can say that it the gift is indirectly fungible."
  535. [11:51:18] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Indirect fungibility is what started this whole mess in the first place.
  536. [11:51:18] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Indirect fungibility is what started this whole mess in the first place.
  537. [11:54:28] [KNFr] Rhetoric: There were many instances in which you displaced earmarked money for one thing, with another, and covered it up with the GFM money.
  538. [11:54:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: In the end, yes, everyone was paid off.
  539. [11:55:03] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But the how is what's concerning.
  540. [11:56:59] [KNFr] Rhetoric: "No. $300 was owed and $300 was paid. $100 came from my GoFundMe, admittedly as I didn't have the full means to pay him at the time, and it was for something logical, board and food. The other $200 was made myself." - ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ, Dienstag 12:44
  541. [11:57:56] [KNFr] Rhetoric: The 200 you made for yourself, as you said. You owed Minty 300. You paid him the 200 out of pocket, and 100 from the GFM money.
  542. [11:58:09] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Which I imagine you made up the 100 from the GFM by doing other things.
  543. [11:58:16] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Is that right?
  544. [12:02:07] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Yeah. But I had 231 in my paypal. So if you want to be VERY techniqual I didn't even owe him a hundred bucks. I spent NO other money apart from that on BronyCon so I don't know what you are going on about. You're drawing straws and they are getting shorter.
  545. [12:02:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I'm not drawing straws. I'm explaining you how indirect fungibility works.
  546. [12:04:24] [KNFr] Rhetoric: I can't make it any more simpler than this: You earmarked money for one thing, spent portions of it on another, and attempted to make up the difference by using the GoFundMe money to cover up said difference.
  547. [12:04:37] [KNFr] Rhetoric: This you admitted to me on multiple occasions.
  548. [12:06:03] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: And its getting ridiculous because regaurdless of what you say I spent that money on FOOD. A necesity. The money was still there afterwards, fungability or not. No money apart from FOOD MONEY WAS SPENT!
  549. [12:06:42] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Part of it, maybe. Yet, you still indirectly used GFM money to go to Bronycon.
  550. [12:07:00] [KNFr] Rhetoric: You didn't do it at the con.
  551. [12:07:04] [KNFr] Rhetoric: But after the con.
  552. [12:07:44] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Or no, let me rephrase that, you indirectly used the money after the fact to pay for your portion of the hotel room at Bronycon.
  553. [12:08:20] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Sure, some of it was used for food. The fact remains, had you not gone to bronycon at all, this whole situation likely would not have happened.
  554. [12:09:33] [KNFr] Rhetoric: From a donor's perspective and all you've told me, a portion of the first GFM was indirectly used to fund your stay in Baltimore at Bronycon.
  555. [12:09:55] [KNFr] Rhetoric: When it was meant to help you get out of a bad situation.
  556. [14:22:25] ﾟ･✧FallenWish✧･ﾟ: Jason needs to be left alone now.
  557. [22:21:20] [KNFr] Rhetoric: Yeah, he sent me his end of the picture too.
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