<Maritisa>	this cinccino here won't ever be joining any RPs
Jul 26 12:43:00 <Maritisa>	srry
Jul 26 12:43:13 <Ambren>	Why not? :o
Jul 26 12:43:18 <Jolteon_Voltali>	Why's that?
Jul 26 12:44:18 <Maritisa>	Because this group isn't a PMD group.
Jul 26 12:44:26 <Maritisa>	I think I elaborated on this before
Jul 26 12:44:33 <Maritisa>	no; I know I did.
Jul 26 12:44:40 <Jolteon_Voltali>	I'm sorry I just got here a little while ago
Jul 26 12:44:44 <Ambren>	I wasn't here for that
Jul 26 12:44:44 <Maritisa>	Ahh.
Jul 26 12:45:01 <Maritisa>	The RPs here are soulless. The world and its people aren't PMD.
Jul 26 12:45:17 <Ambren>	Hey, not all of them are soulless.
Jul 26 12:45:26 <Darby_Daniels>	Now that's just rude :/
Jul 26 12:45:27 <Ambren>	Just lately nothing has been happening
Jul 26 12:45:30 <Maritisa>	You're basically RPing people pretending to be pokemon. There's no PMD anywhere.
Jul 26 12:45:33 <Ambren>	^^
Jul 26 12:45:38 <Maritisa>	It's largely the setting's fault.
Jul 26 12:45:49 <Darby_Daniels>	I mean, it can't be anywhere near as bad as the TR RP
Jul 26 12:46:08 <Maritisa>	I could push the direction to change it, but there are many members here who don't want to commit like that.
Jul 26 12:46:16 <Maritisa>	And it'd be wrong of me to force them out of their funplace.
Jul 26 12:46:24 <Maritisa>	Where they can just goof around with friends.
Jul 26 12:46:27 <Jolteon_Voltali>	I think you'd be surprised
Jul 26 12:46:34 <Ambren>	Rp used to better I think back before we were this pmd thing
Jul 26 12:46:48 <Maritisa>	That's because this isn't PMD lol
Jul 26 12:46:50 <Ambren>	Maybe better isn't the right word
Jul 26 12:47:24 <Maritisa>	This is, again, Pokemon being RP'd as humans, in a human world that just doesn't contain actual humans.
Jul 26 12:48:00 <Darby_Daniels>	Maybe that's because PMD as it was was INSANELY limited.
Jul 26 12:48:00 <Maritisa>	But anyway, some folks here, like Talon for example iirc, have voiced strong opposition to a drastic change.
Jul 26 12:48:10 <Maritisa>	No it's not.
Jul 26 12:48:12 <Ambren>	No, this is pokemon after 800 years of having no humans.
Jul 26 12:48:13 <Darby_Daniels>	No.
Jul 26 12:48:15 <Darby_Daniels>	It really is.
Jul 26 12:48:15 <Maritisa>	You're just not being imaginative enough x:
Jul 26 12:48:25 <Darby_Daniels>	No, PMD without any changes is insanely limited.
Jul 26 12:48:30 <Darby_Daniels>	Because it's a Roguelike
Jul 26 12:48:41 <Maritisa>	That's not the soul of the PMD world, Darby.
Jul 26 12:48:55 <Maritisa>	That's not what I mean.
Jul 26 12:48:55 <Darby_Daniels>	The soul is Exploration.
Jul 26 12:48:59 <Maritisa>	Nay.
Jul 26 12:49:23 <Maritisa>	That's its focus, but PMD's world is based around a concept of purity.
Jul 26 12:49:29 <Darby_Daniels>	Pffffffffffffffffffffft
Jul 26 12:49:34 <Maritisa>	That's WHY when disasters strike
Jul 26 12:49:40 <Maritisa>	Everybody's so much more affected
Jul 26 12:49:40 <Darby_Daniels>	Oh my god please tell me you don't actually believe that.
Jul 26 12:49:49 <Darby_Daniels>	You didn't play Gates to Infinity, did you?
Jul 26 12:49:51 <Maritisa>	I did.
Jul 26 12:50:00 <Maritisa>	Gates is what gives me the very reasoning for it.
Jul 26 12:50:06 <Darby_Daniels>	You start out with the world at each others throats
Jul 26 12:50:15 <Darby_Daniels>	It's a shit world and you have to right it.
Jul 26 12:50:34 <Darby_Daniels>	The world isn't perfect as is.
Jul 26 12:50:43 <Maritisa>	It's on the down slope, not at the bottom.
Jul 26 12:50:52 <Maritisa>	But that's what MAKES you want to save it
Jul 26 12:50:53 <Talon->	and all the hate congeils into an eldrich abomination. Honestly its really a standard RPG plot :V
Jul 26 12:50:55 <Darby_Daniels>	It's close to the bottom.
Jul 26 12:51:07 <Darby_Daniels>	No.
Jul 26 12:51:12 <Darby_Daniels>	What makes you want to save it is your partner.
Jul 26 12:51:25 <Darby_Daniels>	He's a candle in the window on a cold dark winter's night.
Jul 26 12:51:34 <Darby_Daniels>	And I'm getting closer than I ever thought I might.
Jul 26 12:51:47 <Darby_Daniels>	But seriously, everything in PMD is done for the partner.
Jul 26 12:51:48 <Maritisa>	I dunno, this is starting to sound a little based on personal interpretations instead
Jul 26 12:52:05 <Ambren>	Both of your sides sound like that
Jul 26 12:52:21 <Maritisa>	But I don't think the end goal is very much different
Jul 26 12:52:28 <Maritisa>	Where's that here?
Jul 26 12:52:33 <Maritisa>	There isn't any.
Jul 26 12:52:52 <Darby_Daniels>	Because we can't force a new plot every other week.
Jul 26 12:53:03 <Maritisa>	Nobody said you had to.
Jul 26 12:53:06 <Darby_Daniels>	"Save the world"
Jul 26 12:53:14 <Darby_Daniels>	We've done that a thousand times
Jul 26 12:53:22 <Darby_Daniels>	We've even went to zombies and fighting Giratina.
Jul 26 12:53:22 <Maritisa>	I mean think about how much "Filler" content PMD games have in their downtimes lol
Jul 26 12:53:22 <Ambren>	If you don't like what you see then why stay?
Jul 26 12:53:32 <Maritisa>	Cause I like talking with people here
Jul 26 12:53:35 <Darby_Daniels>	Now...
Jul 26 12:53:38 <Darby_Daniels>	Here's the thing, Mari.
Jul 26 12:53:45 <Darby_Daniels>	We HAVE that.
Jul 26 12:53:51 <Ambren>	Fair enough
Jul 26 12:54:03 <Darby_Daniels>	But it's not what you want because this isn't a roguelike.
Jul 26 12:54:07 <Maritisa>	the problem isn't WHAT you do
Jul 26 12:54:14 <Maritisa>	It's the world you do it in
Jul 26 12:54:17 <Ambren>	>Its how we do it
Jul 26 12:54:19 <Ambren>	Oh
Jul 26 12:54:20 <Maritisa>	Which again, isn't the PMD world
Jul 26 12:54:20 <Ambren>	Nvm
Jul 26 12:54:21 <Darby_Daniels>	It's PMD
Jul 26 12:54:28 <Darby_Daniels>	It's as close as you'll get.
Jul 26 12:54:42 <Darby_Daniels>	We just had to expand
Jul 26 12:54:43 <Maritisa>	See, this is what I mean by "Not willing to commit."
Jul 26 12:54:51 <Darby_Daniels>	Because the PMD world is INCREDIBLY limited.
Jul 26 12:54:55 <Maritisa>	Explain how.
Jul 26 12:55:10 <Darby_Daniels>	THey reached the PMD's world limits before I came here.
Jul 26 12:55:11 <Maritisa>	Please, enlighten me.
Jul 26 12:55:29 <Darby_Daniels>	Without opening up bulbapedia, name ten different locations
Jul 26 12:55:47 <Maritisa>	Locations? Like, dungeons count too right?
Jul 26 12:55:55 <Maritisa>	Well the "field" locations of them
Jul 26 12:56:06 <Maritisa>	Cause there's tons of those
Jul 26 12:56:09 <Darby_Daniels>	"Floor 1 of this dungeon"
Jul 26 12:56:13 <Maritisa>	Nono
Jul 26 12:56:14 <Maritisa>	On the map
Jul 26 12:56:18 <Darby_Daniels>	"Floor two."
Jul 26 12:56:23 <Darby_Daniels>	You imply we don't go on that map.
Jul 26 12:56:43 <Darby_Daniels>	But unless we do some fucking with...
Jul 26 12:56:51 <Darby_Daniels>	Each forest is the other forest.
Jul 26 12:57:07 <Maritisa>	Uh?
Jul 26 12:57:11 <Maritisa>	That doesn't make sense.
Jul 26 12:57:13 <Darby_Daniels>	What makes Apple Woods different than any other forest besides an apple tree?
Jul 26 12:57:18 <Maritisa>	Its location.
Jul 26 12:57:26 <Darby_Daniels>	"It's more north"
Jul 26 12:57:38 <Darby_Daniels>	The PMD world has jack-shit for lore.
Jul 26 12:57:40 <Maritisa>	Different things can happen based on proximity to other locations.
Jul 26 12:57:44 <Ambren>	This rp is almost three years old now, after that long something purely PMD is kinda hard to do.
Jul 26 12:57:48 <Maritisa>	But see, my main thing that irks me
Jul 26 12:58:00 <Maritisa>	Is how human-like the "society" of this world is
Jul 26 12:58:15 <Maritisa>	Which makes absolutely no sense and defeats the purpose of the original setting
Jul 26 12:58:29 <Darby_Daniels>	The PMD setting was low-tech human already.
Jul 26 12:58:49 <Maritisa>	Of course, but then you've got people who're watching TV's and shit in RPs
Jul 26 12:59:10 <Darby_Daniels>	Ancient human tech
Jul 26 12:59:13 <Nuru>	never really been a fan of TVs and stuff in the place either but what can ya do
Jul 26 12:59:27 <Darby_Daniels>	Because we had to put in something to explain the absence of humans.
Jul 26 12:59:31 <Darby_Daniels>	There's no way around it, Mari.
Jul 26 12:59:42 <Talon->	I've moved away from things like TV and went to books so.
Jul 26 12:59:44 <Maritisa>	Darby that's a pathetic excuse
Jul 26 12:59:55 <Darby_Daniels>	You CANNOT do purely PMD and stick strictly to the canon for 3 years
Jul 26 13:00:02 <Nuru>	if i HAD to bullshit a reason
Jul 26 13:00:05 <Darby_Daniels>	The DOG Island
Jul 26 13:00:06 <Maritisa>	Nor did I say you have to
Jul 26 13:00:07 <Darby_Daniels>	Has more lore
Jul 26 13:00:16 <Maritisa>	But fuck's sake
Jul 26 13:00:18 <Maritisa>	Stay consistent
Jul 26 13:00:20 <Darby_Daniels>	You've been complaining that we haven't.
Jul 26 13:00:23 <_Charon_>	You could technically say the same fir any lasting Pokemon RP Frei
Jul 26 13:00:26 <Darby_Daniels>	And we have stayed consistent.
Jul 26 13:00:37 <Darby_Daniels>	Mainstream Pokemon has an expanding Canon.
Jul 26 13:00:42 <Darby_Daniels>	And more canon
Jul 26 13:00:44 <Nuru>	it'd probably be that this place takes place a whiile after the events of sky, quite a while, and that there's been a bunch of findings on old human tech that've sparked a sort of renaissance
Jul 26 13:00:49 <Darby_Daniels>	Yes, we'd eventually run dry there.
Jul 26 13:00:53 <Darby_Daniels>	But it'd take a bit longer.
Jul 26 13:00:59 <Darby_Daniels>	But PMD has very little ore.
Jul 26 13:01:07 <Ambren>	after 800 years a lot of change makes sense.
Jul 26 13:01:09 <Darby_Daniels>	That's the reason, Nuru.
Jul 26 13:01:18 <Maritisa>	Then whoever wrote your new stuff butchered the purpose of the setting.
Jul 26 13:01:29 <Darby_Daniels>	No, you just don't like what we did, Mari.
Jul 26 13:01:39 <Maritisa>	No, I don't.
Jul 26 13:01:41 <Maritisa>	Not denying that.
Jul 26 13:01:46 <Darby_Daniels>	There was no butchering.
Jul 26 13:01:50 <Nuru>	truthfully i just try to ignore the parts i don't like that've happened to it I:
Jul 26 13:02:14 <Maritisa>	That defeats the purpose of having a group with a shared lore in the first place
Jul 26 13:02:29 <Darby_Daniels>	We've exhausted PMD's lore
Jul 26 13:02:33 <Darby_Daniels>	So we expanded.
Jul 26 13:02:40 <Darby_Daniels>	And that expands to other places.
Jul 26 13:02:46 <Darby_Daniels>	We all share the canon
Jul 26 13:03:18 <Maritisa>	Either way, I won't ever be RPing here.
Jul 26 13:03:24 <Ambren>	Well good for you
Jul 26 13:03:43 <Darby_Daniels>	I'm going to be RPing with these characters.
Jul 26 13:03:46 <Darby_Daniels>	Speaking of...
Jul 26 13:03:48 <_Charon_>	Most I do is just have remaining copies of something super-high tech and delve into very, very few places having factories, but for the most part, it's just a potpourri everyone's just gonna bitch about because people never developed past PMD
Jul 26 13:03:52 *	Darby_Daniels looks to see if Jack's gonna be oline
Jul 26 13:04:51 *	Darby_Daniels is now known as Monsuta_Hanta
Jul 26 13:06:25 <Maritisa>	@Charon: Some of the basis makes sense, after all PMD1 has some remains of human facilities; But Pokemon would go in an entirely different direction than human society due to the lack of the things that drove humanity to develop its tech in the way it did in the first place. It feels like a cop-out to have the familiar things so you can RP more like humans without getting into the world's mindset.
Jul 26 13:06:46 <Ambren>	Its not like creatures can adapt and learn anway rather than be stuck in one place under a constant repeat of dungeoning and exploring with dwindling substance as the ideas are used up.
Jul 26 13:07:10 <Maritisa>	see previous post
Jul 26 13:07:16 <Ambren>	What about the pokemon that grew up alongside humans and learned how they live? What about the lab assistant pokemon and various others trained to help humans or even do their job?
Jul 26 13:07:21 <Monsuta_Hanta>	^
Jul 26 13:07:23 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Tht's a big thing
Jul 26 13:07:30 <Maritisa>	Why those pokemon exist makes no sense.
Jul 26 13:07:38 <Monsuta_Hanta>	It does in the sense of this universe
Jul 26 13:07:41 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Also, in PMD
Jul 26 13:07:50 <_Charon_>	Not really, Pokemon canonically states that they take after their trainers. So I figure 800 years would lead to at least SOMEONE would revive the technology, even without 'lab assistants' or whatever.
Jul 26 13:07:51 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Isn't the Player Character previously a human?
Jul 26 13:08:04 <Ambren>	Yeah
Jul 26 13:08:05 <_Charon_>	A human from the distant future no less
Jul 26 13:08:16 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Which kinda...
Jul 26 13:08:23 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Messes with our current canon.
Jul 26 13:08:48 <Maritisa>	I keep saying, the PMD world is isolated from the "Real" Pokemon world
Jul 26 13:08:56 <Maritisa>	they are not one and the same
Jul 26 13:09:02 <Monsuta_Hanta>	No.
Jul 26 13:09:10 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Because PMD KNOWS of the existence of humans.
Jul 26 13:09:17 *	Grovyle (cgiirc@Rizon-8A6A3457.res-cmts.sef2.ptd.net) has joined
Jul 26 13:09:27 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Which means that himans had to have or do exist in the PMD world.
Jul 26 13:09:32 <Maritisa>	Granted that's never... explained. Actually that always confused me because it makes absolutely no sense.
Jul 26 13:09:48 <Nuru>	that'd work if this rp setting specifically wasn't literally 'we started out in the real pokemon world' and then timejumped to a future pmd setting
Jul 26 13:10:00 <Grovyle>	Whaaaat did I just walk into
Jul 26 13:10:03 <_Charon_>	PMD1 apparently used a Ninetales to...warp all humans to another planet
Jul 26 13:10:13 <Molly>	>rp lore argument/discussion
Jul 26 13:10:21 <Molly>	.gi psych popcorn gif
Jul 26 13:10:22 <Internets>	[Google Image] Psych GIFs on Giphy <http://media.giphy.com/media/mmaMTz2eOsucw/giphy-facebook_s.jpg>
Jul 26 13:10:22 <Internets>	[Google Image] Size: 480x270px - Description: tv, meme, psych, popcorn,
Jul 26 13:10:27 <_Charon_>	I'm not sure why, but an NPC is also a former human
Jul 26 13:10:38 <Molly>	why the fuck would i get a jpg of a gif
Jul 26 13:10:50 <Nuru>	thanks google images
Jul 26 13:10:51 <Talon->	you had one job google image
Jul 26 13:11:15 <Monsuta_Hanta>	I guess this proves one thing
Jul 26 13:11:22 <Monsuta_Hanta>	M2 was a shit who ruined everything.
Jul 26 13:11:29 <_Charon_>	Really, if we drop the ball by having humans extinct and the Pokemon trying to build off whatever they can, I'd say it's still fixable and not the kind of doom that Pokemon Ranger went through
Jul 26 13:11:49 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Exactly, Charon
Jul 26 13:11:57 <Molly>	is the setting gonna change
Jul 26 13:11:59 <Monsuta_Hanta>	The PMD universe is workable.
Jul 26 13:12:17 <Monsuta_Hanta>	But it's not wide enough for long enough RP as is.
Jul 26 13:12:25 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Especially because a lot of people don't do fighting.
Jul 26 13:12:33 <_Charon_>	It's workable in the same way the Pokemon Universe is workable, but holy fuck do you have to reach
Jul 26 13:13:01 <Maritisa>	Well that's what I do best. x: Too bad I don't have the rights to tamper with this group's lore.
Jul 26 13:13:12 <_Charon_>	Suuuure ya do
Jul 26 13:13:28 <Maritisa>	I'm not a member and I'm not an admin lol
Jul 26 13:13:33 <Maritisa>	I have absolutely no right
Jul 26 13:13:36 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Mainline is a bit larger of a lore.
Jul 26 13:13:39 <_Charon_>	Just like how M2 said he was helping and then used Phyrexians from Magic The Gathering nonironically
Jul 26 13:13:48 <Monsuta_Hanta>	Mainline is EASIER to work with.
Jul 26 13:14:04 <Monsuta_Hanta>	It's not perfect, but it's easier and we can get more out of less.
Jul 26 13:14:08 <Monsuta_Hanta>	It's not as bad as say...
Jul 26 13:14:09 <Maritisa>	lol what kind of scumbag do you take me for?
Jul 26 13:14:20 <_Charon_>	 /shrug]
Jul 26 13:14:28 <Monsuta_Hanta>	THe Pokemon Training Card Game video game universe
Jul 26 13:14:31 <Maritisa>	I wouldn't be criticizing the group if I didn't have the capability to do things with it.
Jul 26 13:14:43 <Molly>	#POKEMONRP REVAMP YEAH
Jul 26 13:14:51 <Maritisa>	BUT AGAIN I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THAT
Jul 26 13:14:54 <Maritisa>	DON'T GET HYPED MOLLY
Jul 26 13:15:06 <Mursa>	.....
Jul 26 13:15:08 <Molly>	DO IT ANYWAY BUT STOP BEING SO DMN RUDE GIRL
Jul 26 13:15:12 <Molly>	A
Jul 26 13:15:16 *	Mursa homer simpson fades into the bushes
Jul 26 13:15:18 <_Charon_>	Kuro, we've tried that 4 times and everyone was in favor of keeping the thing
Jul 26 13:16:07 <Molly>	it'd be fun to build anyway
Jul 26 13:16:11 <Molly>	and if the room ever tnks
Jul 26 13:16:13 <Molly>	bam
Jul 26 13:16:15 <Molly>	change it up
Jul 26 13:16:53 <_Charon_>	I've been thinking of ideas, but the most I can think about this shit is 'Mad Max but with clear furries and more technology'
Jul 26 13:18:37 <Talon->	My opinion is if it ain't broke, don't fix it. What we have now is workable and flexible.
Jul 26 13:18:56 <_Charon_>	^
Jul 26 13:19:01 <_Charon_>	It could be worse
Jul 26 13:19:06 <_Charon_>	We could all be angels. :|
Jul 26 13:19:24 <Maritisa>	What Talon said is why I have no right to change things.
Jul 26 13:19:36 <Maritisa>	Even if I had the ranking.
Jul 26 13:20:34 <Mursa>	Isn't it by group concensus for a wipe anyways?
Jul 26 13:20:56 <Jolteon_Voltali>	It should be
Jul 26 13:21:03 <Maritisa>	It more or less is.
Jul 26 13:21:04 <Talon->	yeah, everyone has to agree for something that big
Jul 26 13:21:13 <Talon->	cause it really does concern everyone active
Jul 26 13:21:30 <Ambren>	Holy crap I missed a lot talking to those customers
Jul 26 13:22:34 <Mursa>	Well then, Mari, even if said positioning/rank was within your grasp it is more or less a herd choice whether or not such a wipe of eeeevverrytthing would happen.
Jul 26 13:25:21 <Ambren>	Huh
Jul 26 13:25:42 <Ambren>	Turns out that 16 dollars I make a week just turned into 40 after this past five minutes
Jul 26 13:25:47 <Ambren>	Lots of sales
Jul 26 13:26:05 <Ambren>	And still four more hours to go
Jul 26 13:31:37 <Molly>	aw is the discussion over
Jul 26 13:31:51 <Maritisa>	I have nothing further worth adding.