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  3. [4/19/2015 11:52:28 AM] *** Sir Scarfalot added Dark Vessel, MintyRest, TyHachi _, Princess Candyass ***
  4. [4/19/2015 11:52:49 AM] Sir Scarfalot: Okay, the recent attack should be discussed here
  5. [4/19/2015 11:53:29 AM] Dark Vessel: Mhm. This came out of left field for us as well
  6. [4/19/2015 11:53:37 AM] Dark Vessel: Whisker ain't responding
  7. [4/19/2015 11:54:16 AM] Sir Scarfalot: wait, Whisker?
  8. [4/19/2015 11:56:39 AM] Sir Scarfalot: okay, I checked, and Discorded is attacking me by corruption to magic
  9. [4/19/2015 11:57:15 AM] Sir Scarfalot: ....this can be fixed with all of 100 devotion. As can Strums' attack.
  10. [4/19/2015 11:59:59 AM] Dark Vessel: Thought whisker attacked :P
  11. [4/19/2015 12:00:31 PM] Martyn Sturm: So we were attacked as well, the same type of attack as well?
  12. [4/19/2015 12:04:01 PM] MintyRest: Huh, why are we talking about this here?
  13. [4/19/2015 12:05:30 PM] Dark Vessel: Faster?
  14. [4/19/2015 12:07:12 PM] MintyRest: Because, as I understand it, Bluhtsturm attacked Myra and Discorded, and redirection was employed on our side.
  15. Harmless attacks against harmless targets then?
  16. [4/19/2015 12:07:52 PM] Dark Vessel: I guess so
  17. [4/19/2015 12:07:56 PM] Dark Vessel: Well that was a first
  18. [4/19/2015 12:08:06 PM] Dark Vessel: Wonder why
  19. [4/19/2015 12:08:34 PM] MintyRest: I haven't really gotten a response from TKoE, but I'm here talking with Scarf and DV.
  20. I'd like to know why did this happen?
  21. [4/19/2015 12:08:47 PM] Dark Vessel: We'd like to know the same xD
  22. [4/19/2015 12:09:05 PM] Martyn Sturm: Listen, I'm going to flat out admit what I did was stupid. I got... curious about the war button...
  23. [4/19/2015 12:09:39 PM] Martyn Sturm: I do apoligize though, I know what I did was wrong, I should have organized something.
  24. [4/19/2015 12:09:51 PM] Sir Scarfalot: crap, my skype is glitching out
  25. [4/19/2015 12:10:15 PM] Dark Vessel: Okay, Scarf. Well, could have been worse!
  26. [4/19/2015 12:10:18 PM] MintyRest: How many attacks did you send?
  27. [4/19/2015 12:10:35 PM] Martyn Sturm: 3
  28. [4/19/2015 12:11:13 PM] Sir Scarfalot: also TKoE is away right now
  29. [4/19/2015 12:11:19 PM] Martyn Sturm: wait, no. 2, I clicked the button 3 times, but an error popped up 3rd time.
  30. [4/19/2015 12:11:30 PM] Sir Scarfalot: so, right now it's just us
  31. [4/19/2015 12:11:33 PM] Sir Scarfalot: okay
  32. [4/19/2015 12:11:45 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I haven't added Discorded because I don't know what he changed his name to
  33. [4/19/2015 12:11:50 PM] Martyn Sturm: I can.
  34. [4/19/2015 12:12:10 PM] *** Sir Scarfalot added TKoE ***
  35. [4/19/2015 12:12:18 PM] *** Martyn Sturm added Silver Wind ***
  36. [4/19/2015 12:12:19 PM] Sir Scarfalot: so, 2 attacks, and you redirected them
  37. [4/19/2015 12:12:22 PM] Sir Scarfalot: one at me
  38. [4/19/2015 12:12:35 PM] Sir Scarfalot: who did you redirect the other attack to?
  39. [4/19/2015 12:12:54 PM] MintyRest: Tyhachi is missing heroism because his serenity ate at least one more attack.
  40. [4/19/2015 12:13:17 PM] MintyRest: So why lie? How many attacks did you send?
  41. [4/19/2015 12:13:38 PM] Martyn Sturm: ?
  42. [4/19/2015 12:13:57 PM] Martyn Sturm: 2, but a red banner popped up on the 3rd.
  43. [4/19/2015 12:14:02 PM] MintyRest: I have record of at least 3 different attacks. 2 of which on different targets.
  44. [4/19/2015 12:14:15 PM] Sir Scarfalot: what was the exact error on the 3rd attack?
  45. [4/19/2015 12:14:28 PM] Martyn Sturm: I had no corruption.
  46. [4/19/2015 12:15:27 PM] Martyn Sturm: I don't have a reason to lie, so I'm not, unless I'm making a mistake.
  47. [4/19/2015 12:15:53 PM] MintyRest: Who were you attacking initially?
  48. [4/19/2015 12:16:00 PM] Martyn Sturm: Myra.
  49. [4/19/2015 12:16:31 PM] Sir Scarfalot: the odd part
  50. [4/19/2015 12:16:36 PM] Sir Scarfalot: is that I still have all my banked serenity.
  51. [4/19/2015 12:16:51 PM] Sir Scarfalot: yet the redirection bypassed my shields.
  52. [4/19/2015 12:17:03 PM] Sir Scarfalot: also, I have all my heroism
  53. [4/19/2015 12:17:12 PM] MintyRest: It's probably a bug, report it to admin.
  54. [4/19/2015 12:18:11 PM] Martyn Sturm: I only typed Myrami's name. Nobody else, I'll say that right now.
  55. [4/19/2015 12:20:54 PM] Martyn Sturm: What do you want from me to fix this issue. Seriously, I made the mistake.
  56. [4/19/2015 12:21:51 PM] Princess Candyass: Yeah, you just so happened to type my name in the field and accidentally clicked on the attack button
  57. [4/19/2015 12:21:58 PM] MintyRest: We're in deliberation right now. Discord is missing way too much heroism as it is, and people aren't happy.
  58. [4/19/2015 12:23:53 PM] Dark Vessel: He did act individually there.
  59. [4/19/2015 12:24:11 PM] Sir Scarfalot: Look
  60. [4/19/2015 12:24:14 PM] Sir Scarfalot: it's corruption
  61. [4/19/2015 12:24:17 PM] Martyn Sturm: I did, I did not consult my Alliance, and I have been reprimanded for it.
  62. [4/19/2015 12:24:30 PM] Sir Scarfalot: the most damage it does can be fixed by a maximum of 500 devotion.
  63. [4/19/2015 12:24:39 PM] Sir Scarfalot: ....honestly, the shielding is more expensive
  64. [4/19/2015 12:25:09 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:24 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  65.  
  66. <<< the most damage it doesthe most damage it does is killing lots of production because the attack hits in the middle of the night
  67. [4/19/2015 12:25:27 PM] Sir Scarfalot: if you completely neglected sat, yes
  68. [4/19/2015 12:25:36 PM] Sir Scarfalot: are you saying that you've been neglecting sat?
  69. [4/19/2015 12:25:47 PM] Princess Candyass: that's none of your business
  70. [4/19/2015 12:25:51 PM] Sir Scarfalot: Or that you were hit by a Despair?
  71. [4/19/2015 12:26:00 PM] Sir Scarfalot: it is ENTIRELY my business.
  72. [4/19/2015 12:26:02 PM] Dark Vessel: :P Shush, Scarf.
  73. [4/19/2015 12:26:10 PM] Sir Scarfalot: because how much damage was done is central to this
  74. [4/19/2015 12:26:31 PM] MintyRest: How much is heroism worth to you?
  75. [4/19/2015 12:26:50 PM] Sir Scarfalot: It's worth heroism
  76. [4/19/2015 12:26:58 PM] Silver Wind: you're funny scarf
  77. [4/19/2015 12:27:12 PM] Sir Scarfalot: there's not a lot of leeway in the definition of value
  78. [4/19/2015 12:27:17 PM] Silver Wind: (minty he isn't funny i'm just reassuring him that we're friends)
  79. [4/19/2015 12:27:17 PM] MintyRest: Because that already burned. Serenity too, which are both T3. We're way past 500 devotion actually.
  80. [4/19/2015 12:27:49 PM] Sir Scarfalot: that's odd, because my shields were bypassed entirely
  81. [4/19/2015 12:27:55 PM] Silver Wind: so scarf, how have you been? so sad we had to meet on a strange and buggy occasion
  82. [4/19/2015 12:28:05 PM] MintyRest: Hey, the systems a buggy mess, surprise.
  83. [4/19/2015 12:28:16 PM] Sir Scarfalot: our admin isn't rumsod
  84. [4/19/2015 12:28:24 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I am surprised at the bug
  85. [4/19/2015 12:28:28 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  86.  
  87. <<< because how much damage was donefor now your minion burned lots of our resources. if we wouldn't have seen the attack in time, the damage would have been even worse
  88. [4/19/2015 12:28:47 PM] Martyn Sturm: His Minion? Thats adorable Myra.
  89. [4/19/2015 12:28:54 PM] Sir Scarfalot: there's no way in crap that you wouldn't have seen the attack.
  90. [4/19/2015 12:29:03 PM] Sir Scarfalot: you cannot argue that
  91. [4/19/2015 12:29:17 PM] Princess Candyass: you don't see attacks on the tab like in Clop
  92. [4/19/2015 12:29:36 PM] MintyRest: Also a bug most likely.
  93. [4/19/2015 12:29:37 PM] Sir Scarfalot: no, but heroism going down IS seen
  94. [4/19/2015 12:29:55 PM] MintyRest: Nope, I don't even pay attention to numbers long term.
  95. [4/19/2015 12:30:03 PM] Princess Candyass: no it isn't? no one checks this stuff every day
  96. [4/19/2015 12:30:15 PM] Princess Candyass: at least no one who doen't have a mental disorder
  97. [4/19/2015 12:30:16 PM] Sir Scarfalot: >not checking numbers every day
  98. [4/19/2015 12:30:24 PM] Sir Scarfalot: do you or do you not play >CLOP
  99. [4/19/2015 12:30:34 PM] MintyRest: So you keep record failed attacks up 24/7?
  100. [4/19/2015 12:30:36 PM] Dark Vessel: ...I will admit that I share their opinion xD
  101. [4/19/2015 12:30:48 PM] Dark Vessel: But let's stop with the personal attacks?
  102. [4/19/2015 12:30:59 PM] Silver Wind: that was a low blow myra
  103. [4/19/2015 12:31:04 PM] Dark Vessel: Scarf did not order this, it was an individual who 'Had a bit of a clop moment'
  104. [4/19/2015 12:31:22 PM] Sir Scarfalot: what we need to do
  105. [4/19/2015 12:31:22 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:30 PM] Silver Wind:
  106.  
  107. <<< that was a low blow myrathanks  :P
  108. [4/19/2015 12:31:26 PM | Edited 12:31:42 PM] Silver Wind: you're welcome :P
  109. [4/19/2015 12:31:27 PM] Sir Scarfalot: is tally up the actual damage done
  110. [4/19/2015 12:31:47 PM] Sir Scarfalot: according to one set of reports, 2 attacks were made.
  111. [4/19/2015 12:31:54 PM] Sir Scarfalot: according to another set of reports, 3 attacks were made
  112. [4/19/2015 12:31:57 PM] Silver Wind: actually i've lost 150 heroism which is worth 2 attacks of attracting
  113. [4/19/2015 12:32:12 PM] MintyRest: Which may be because glitchy system, but w/e
  114. [4/19/2015 12:32:14 PM] Silver Wind: and i lost 225 serenity which is worth absorbing one attack
  115. [4/19/2015 12:32:22 PM] Sir Scarfalot: yet according to Strum, he only attacked Myrami twice.
  116. [4/19/2015 12:32:31 PM] Sir Scarfalot: he didn't have enough corruption for a third strike
  117. [4/19/2015 12:32:51 PM] Martyn Sturm: That is correct.
  118. [4/19/2015 12:32:51 PM] Sir Scarfalot: you also redirected an attack at me
  119. [4/19/2015 12:33:03 PM] Sir Scarfalot: that wasn't necessary, you know.
  120. [4/19/2015 12:33:07 PM] MintyRest: I like that Strum guy, he only attacked my members on a whim, that's reliable.
  121. [4/19/2015 12:33:16 PM] Silver Wind: and i attracted one i suppose, but i lost 150, so before we go to bugs, that shows there was another attack
  122. [4/19/2015 12:33:43 PM] Princess Candyass: You'll receive a list of our demands from us. You'll send the resources to us via a deal. You're in no position to argue what or how many resources you'll give us
  123. [4/19/2015 12:33:45 PM] Silver Wind: and i just redirected it to you because i thought you would have a breakdown. nothing personal, just strategy
  124. [4/19/2015 12:34:25 PM] Sir Scarfalot: You'll receive a list of our demands from us. You'll send the resources to us via a deal. You're in no position to argue what or how many resources you'll give uswe will negotiate. dictating demands is not the way to peace.
  125. [4/19/2015 12:34:47 PM] Silver Wind: you don't want peace! you attacked us, plain and simple!
  126. [4/19/2015 12:35:05 PM] Sir Scarfalot: we DO want peace.
  127. [4/19/2015 12:35:06 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:34 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  128.  
  129. <<< we will negotiate. dictating demands is not the way to peace.if you want to escalate this even further, go ahead
  130. [4/19/2015 12:35:07 PM] Martyn Sturm: I attacked you. They didn't.
  131. [4/19/2015 12:35:32 PM] Sir Scarfalot: if YOU want to escalate this, then that is your fault. I started negotiations, if you walk away then that's on you
  132. [4/19/2015 12:35:38 PM] Dark Vessel: This is the equivalent of Cloud Kicker attacking people.
  133. [4/19/2015 12:35:54 PM] Sir Scarfalot: reparations can be paid.
  134. [4/19/2015 12:36:02 PM] MintyRest: Cloud Kicker is a warmonger by Scarf's own defintion?
  135. [4/19/2015 12:36:06 PM] Sir Scarfalot: since yes, our alliance was at fault
  136. [4/19/2015 12:36:11 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:35 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  137.  
  138. <<< canwill be paid
  139. [4/19/2015 12:36:29 PM] Dark Vessel: Cloud Kicker was ALWAYS a warmonger.
  140. [4/19/2015 12:36:43 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I said 'can', and I meant it. Let's tally up the damages, and make sure that they are accurate.
  141. [4/19/2015 12:36:53 PM] Sir Scarfalot: THEN, we can discuss this from a position of facts
  142. [4/19/2015 12:36:57 PM] MintyRest: So then this is the equivalent of Cloud Kicker attacking people, isn't it?
  143. [4/19/2015 12:37:15 PM] Silver Wind: the damage that was done, wheter by buggy systems or by an amount of attack we don't know was still caused in the first place because the attacks were sent
  144. [4/19/2015 12:37:18 PM] Sir Scarfalot: no, this is the equivalent of a rogue doing something silly
  145. [4/19/2015 12:37:40 PM] Martyn Sturm: Alright, so lets assume I attacked 3 times, and that maybe an error or bug came up? And that you are being honest in your reports, then what is the damage that considered.
  146. [4/19/2015 12:37:47 PM] MintyRest: Silly is subjective.
  147. [4/19/2015 12:37:59 PM] Sir Scarfalot: so is diplomacy
  148. [4/19/2015 12:38:03 PM] MintyRest: Tragedy is me stubbing my toe.
  149. [4/19/2015 12:38:06 PM] Sir Scarfalot: so let's try to get real facts
  150. [4/19/2015 12:38:30 PM] Martyn Sturm: Are you guys able to verify that there were 3 attacks made? If so we can go off that as fact.
  151. [4/19/2015 12:38:50 PM] Silver Wind: real facts are we lost resources because of martyn's attacks, bug or not, it deserves payment.
  152. [4/19/2015 12:39:03 PM] Sir Scarfalot: that's a partial fact
  153. [4/19/2015 12:39:09 PM] Sir Scarfalot: the rest of it is HOW MUCH resources
  154. [4/19/2015 12:39:10 PM] Silver Wind: the bug wouldn't have happened if martyn hadn't attacked
  155. [4/19/2015 12:39:49 PM] Sir Scarfalot: the bug is irrelevant for now. Just, calm down and calculate how much was lost.
  156. [4/19/2015 12:40:45 PM] Sir Scarfalot: two attacks that we can confirm
  157. [4/19/2015 12:40:51 PM] Sir Scarfalot: that's 150 heroism
  158. [4/19/2015 12:40:53 PM] Silver Wind: we're doing that, i just don't want you to ignore that damage was done for about the amount of a third attack. we are tallying it up, but keep that in mind in the mean time
  159. [4/19/2015 12:41:08 PM] Silver Wind: maybe even more. myra lost some heroism too somehow i believe
  160. [4/19/2015 12:41:09 PM] Dark Vessel: When did you calculate the heroism lost, by the way?
  161. [4/19/2015 12:41:25 PM] Dark Vessel: Specifically, was it AFTER you posted on the board?
  162. [4/19/2015 12:41:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot: 225 serenity
  163. [4/19/2015 12:42:26 PM] MintyRest: I'm going to take a break as if I don't eat I'm going to die. Myra's lead rep in my place, till I'm back.
  164. [4/19/2015 12:43:06 PM] Sir Scarfalot: so he's probably going to declare war if we don't gib 9000 drudgery
  165. [4/19/2015 12:43:07 PM] Sir Scarfalot: yay
  166. [4/19/2015 12:43:16 PM] Martyn Sturm: Yeah, that seems about right.
  167. [4/19/2015 12:43:29 PM] Sir Scarfalot: in all seriousness
  168. [4/19/2015 12:43:40 PM] Princess Candyass: K, let's keep this plain and simple. No negotiations, no calculations. We demand the following resources:
  169. [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:39 PM] Princess Candyass:
  170.  
  171. <<< 600 malice
  172. 600 serenity
  173. 600 drudgery
  174. 300 heroism
  175. 300 unityIf you give us the resources, we'll ignore this shameless attack. No questions asked. No drama
  176. [4/19/2015 12:43:43 PM] Sir Scarfalot: any further attacks are just wrong
  177. [4/19/2015 12:43:49 PM] Sir Scarfalot: how about no.
  178. [4/19/2015 12:43:56 PM] Sir Scarfalot: 300 unity?
  179. [4/19/2015 12:43:58 PM] Sir Scarfalot: you never lost unity
  180. [4/19/2015 12:44:09 PM] Princess Candyass: you attacked us. now you have to pay
  181. [4/19/2015 12:44:12 PM] Sir Scarfalot: 150 heroism, or 225 heroism at most
  182. [4/19/2015 12:44:25 PM] Princess Candyass: if it doesn't hurt, you won't learn
  183. [4/19/2015 12:44:37 PM] Sir Scarfalot: 225 serenity per attack... but you redirected one
  184. [4/19/2015 12:44:52 PM] Sir Scarfalot: Drudgery was never lost at all
  185. [4/19/2015 12:45:36 PM] Sir Scarfalot: 450 serenity, 225 heroism, and 300 malice is the outer limit of your losses thus far
  186. [4/19/2015 12:45:53 PM] Silver Wind: i lost malice too to redirect
  187. [4/19/2015 12:45:59 PM] Silver Wind: so make that 600
  188. [4/19/2015 12:46:17 PM] Sir Scarfalot: then that's 225 serenity 600 malice
  189. [4/19/2015 12:47:10 PM] Sir Scarfalot: 225 serenity
  190. 600 malice
  191. 225 heroism
  192. [4/19/2015 12:48:20 PM] Princess Candyass: we won't accept that you just pay for our losses. who do you think you are?!
  193. [4/19/2015 12:48:33 PM] Silver Wind: you want peace scarf, you pay for it
  194. [4/19/2015 12:48:48 PM] Martyn Sturm: Apparantly your writing the Treaty of Versailles over a small skirmish.
  195. [4/19/2015 12:48:58 PM] Princess Candyass: yes, yes I do
  196. [4/19/2015 12:49:09 PM] Martyn Sturm: So, your about as realistic as Aryanne in Clop was then?
  197. [4/19/2015 12:49:32 PM] Silver Wind: aryanne is a realist, not an idealist
  198. [4/19/2015 12:49:42 PM] Martyn Sturm: Is what I'm seeing anyays, we are offering to mend the damage caused and repay for what has happened in order not to see things get out of hand.
  199. [4/19/2015 12:49:52 PM] Martyn Sturm: But you seem to WANT it to get out of hand.
  200. [4/19/2015 12:50:36 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:49 PM] Martyn Sturm:
  201.  
  202. <<< Is what I'm seeing anyays, we are offering to mend the damage caused and repay for what has happened in order not to see things get out of hand.yeah, and next week you attack us again and pay for our losses when you're unsuccessful
  203. [4/19/2015 12:50:50 PM] Silver Wind: i don't want anything to go anywhere. but obviously you've prepared for war, attacking us first to test our limits.
  204. [4/19/2015 12:50:59 PM] Sir Scarfalot: we are sorry about this attack
  205. [4/19/2015 12:51:16 PM] Sir Scarfalot: .....what makes you say that we've prepared this as an opening to war?
  206. [4/19/2015 12:51:24 PM] Sir Scarfalot: most of us are focused on >CLOP
  207. [4/19/2015 12:51:43 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:50 PM] Silver Wind:
  208.  
  209. <<< attacking us first to test our limitsthis
  210. and now it's time to give your 'tanks' to the good people so you shall never fight again
  211. [4/19/2015 12:52:09 PM] Sir Scarfalot: corruption
  212. [4/19/2015 12:52:11 PM] Martyn Sturm: Obviously Disc0rded, obviously this wasn't an accident by a stupid player. I mean you seem to want to destroy Nicole so bad, I'll relay this to her :)
  213. [4/19/2015 12:52:11 PM] Sir Scarfalot: does very little
  214. [4/19/2015 12:52:32 PM] Sir Scarfalot: a real attack would include, y'know, a lot
  215. [4/19/2015 12:52:39 PM] Sir Scarfalot: not two strikes
  216. [4/19/2015 12:52:42 PM | Removed 12:52:59 PM] Martyn Sturm: This message has been removed.
  217. [4/19/2015 12:52:48 PM | Edited 12:52:51 PM] Sir Scarfalot: shush.
  218. [4/19/2015 12:53:00 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I'm trying to be serious here.
  219. [4/19/2015 12:53:02 PM] Martyn Sturm: Alright.
  220. [4/19/2015 12:53:24 PM] Princess Candyass: Who do you think you are, talking to us like that, Bluhtsturm?
  221. [4/19/2015 12:54:12 PM] Sir Scarfalot: since nobody here is capable of discussing this rationally, let's postpone the discussion until Minty gets back.
  222. [4/19/2015 12:54:38 PM] Sir Scarfalot: that means you, Strum
  223. [4/19/2015 12:54:48 PM] Sir Scarfalot: -sigh-
  224. [4/19/2015 12:55:11 PM] Silver Wind: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:26 PM] MintyRest:
  225.  
  226. <<< How much is heroism worth to you?[Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  227.  
  228. <<< It's worth heroismvery serious
  229. [4/19/2015 12:55:42 PM] Sir Scarfalot: because things in Compounds have extremely definite values
  230. [4/19/2015 12:55:49 PM] Sir Scarfalot: that don't really change.
  231. [4/19/2015 12:56:13 PM] Silver Wind: heroism for us can be worth something different for you if you have something else focused
  232. [4/19/2015 12:56:19 PM] Sir Scarfalot: Heroism is honesty/loyalty/kindness
  233. [4/19/2015 12:56:48 PM] Sir Scarfalot: if you have a focus, then you trade with the others in your alliance that are focused differently..
  234. [4/19/2015 12:57:00 PM] Sir Scarfalot: It's not that big of a deal.
  235. [4/19/2015 12:57:18 PM] Princess Candyass: You can't possibly expect that we will settle with just the replacement of the resources we lost. This was a vicious attack and we demand penitence
  236. [4/19/2015 12:57:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot: >vicious attack
  237. [4/19/2015 12:57:31 PM] Sir Scarfalot: >3 corruption
  238. [4/19/2015 12:57:58 PM] Sir Scarfalot: you are blowing it out of proportion.
  239. [4/19/2015 12:58:02 PM] Silver Wind: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:12 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  240.  
  241. <<< so, 2 attacks,
  242. [4/19/2015 12:58:06 PM] Silver Wind: :P
  243. [4/19/2015 12:58:09 PM] Silver Wind: just saying
  244. [4/19/2015 12:58:16 PM] Princess Candyass: corruption is the attack that can do the most damage
  245. [4/19/2015 12:58:25 PM] Sir Scarfalot: no, it really isn't
  246. [4/19/2015 12:58:48 PM] Silver Wind: one tick can mess up your compounds, you can lose a ton of sat
  247. [4/19/2015 12:58:55 PM] Sir Scarfalot: it certainly does more than Brutality, but Burden is worse
  248. [4/19/2015 12:59:14 PM] Princess Candyass: I won't argue with a lowlevel player about this
  249. [4/19/2015 12:59:27 PM] Silver Wind: okay, so in a few days myra and i will burden you and martyn, and you guys tell us which one does more damage
  250. [4/19/2015 12:59:37 PM | Edited 12:59:42 PM] Silver Wind: sound fun?
  251. [4/19/2015 12:59:37 PM | Edited 12:59:50 PM] Princess Candyass: Burden decreases the production ONCE, if you run out of sat
  252. [4/19/2015 12:59:49 PM] Silver Wind: no, burden sends them a ton of resources
  253. [4/19/2015 12:59:57 PM] Silver Wind: it's good for such a large alliance like them
  254. [4/19/2015 12:59:57 PM] Sir Scarfalot: and then we'll ask for reparations equal to the amount of damage you did.
  255. [4/19/2015 1:00:03 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:59 PM] Silver Wind:
  256.  
  257. <<< sends them a ton of resources[Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:59 PM] Princess Candyass:
  258.  
  259. <<<  if you run out of sat
  260. [4/19/2015 1:00:23 PM] Princess Candyass: As the aggressor you are in no position to demand anything
  261. [4/19/2015 1:00:24 PM] Martyn Sturm: Equal, not more, correct?
  262. [4/19/2015 1:00:38 PM] Sir Scarfalot: if you attack us, then you'll be the aggressors
  263. [4/19/2015 1:00:39 PM] Martyn Sturm: We aren't demanding anything, we're offering.
  264. [4/19/2015 1:00:47 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I'm not asking for reparations on the redirection, after all.
  265. [4/19/2015 1:01:16 PM] Sir Scarfalot: we're offering to pay for 100% of the damage
  266. [4/19/2015 1:01:18 PM] Silver Wind: we wouldn't owe you anything unless you let the burden go through for a few ticks. in fact you'd be up resources
  267. [4/19/2015 1:01:30 PM] Sir Scarfalot: no, you'd owe us the security
  268. [4/19/2015 1:01:38 PM] Sir Scarfalot: and heroism
  269. [4/19/2015 1:02:28 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:00 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  270.  
  271. <<< if you attack us, then you'll be the aggressorsWe are the one who fight back. Going from the defensive to the offensive
  272. [4/19/2015 1:03:05 PM] Sir Scarfalot: if this attack had been 'successful', and I put that in quotes because a landed attack is not the aim of our alliance, then the damage done would have been greater, and thus we'd owe you that much
  273. [4/19/2015 1:04:25 PM] Princess Candyass: You forced us to waste our resources. Therefore the attack was successful
  274. [4/19/2015 1:04:33 PM] Sir Scarfalot: if you want a clear promise that this won't happen again, we could use that new peace treaty system
  275. [4/19/2015 1:04:52 PM] Sir Scarfalot: You forced us to waste our resources. Therefore the attack was successfuland we're paying back the exact resources lost. Therefore the attack didn't do jack.
  276. [4/19/2015 1:05:03 PM] Princess Candyass: That system costs resources constantly, as far as I know
  277. [4/19/2015 1:05:09 PM] Sir Scarfalot: yes, which is a shame
  278. [4/19/2015 1:05:44 PM] Sir Scarfalot: Is it even implemented?
  279. [4/19/2015 1:05:47 PM] Sir Scarfalot: let me look for the action
  280. [4/19/2015 1:05:51 PM] Princess Candyass: it is
  281. [4/19/2015 1:06:38 PM] Silver Wind: but then admin added a way to attack someone who you have a peace treaty with
  282. [4/19/2015 1:07:22 PM] Silver Wind: and it just costs 300 perfidy. why would badmin do that? does he like ruining his own games?
  283. [4/19/2015 1:08:29 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:46 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  284.  
  285. <<< then that's 225 serenity 600 malice
  286. 225 serenity
  287. 600 malice
  288. 225 heroismK, since we're a reasonable alliance that strives for peace, we're ready to lower our demands.
  289. 300 serenity, 700 malice, 300 heroism
  290. [4/19/2015 1:09:24 PM] Silver Wind: that is literally less than they owe us
  291. [4/19/2015 1:09:35 PM] Sir Scarfalot: and it just costs 300 perfidy. why would badmin do that? does he like ruining his own games?no, he's admin. He's a worse warmonger than Myra, Bugfucker or even Scarf
  292. [4/19/2015 1:09:37 PM] Silver Wind: 450 serenity
  293. [4/19/2015 1:09:46 PM] Princess Candyass: The serenity cost was higher?
  294. [4/19/2015 1:09:48 PM] Sir Scarfalot: ...........no, Disc0rded
  295. [4/19/2015 1:09:56 PM] Silver Wind: yea, 225 for each absorption
  296. [4/19/2015 1:10:05 PM] Silver Wind: i absorbed and so did ty
  297. [4/19/2015 1:10:05 PM] Sir Scarfalot: let me check that again
  298. [4/19/2015 1:10:18 PM] Sir Scarfalot: my mistake
  299. [4/19/2015 1:10:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot: yes, two absorptions is 450
  300. [4/19/2015 1:10:31 PM] Princess Candyass: well, whatever. 600 serenity, 700 malice, 300 hero
  301. [4/19/2015 1:11:01 PM] Sir Scarfalot: and a non-aggression pact
  302. [4/19/2015 1:11:55 PM] Sir Scarfalot: and of course we pay the Charity
  303. [4/19/2015 1:11:59 PM] Princess Candyass: no, I'm in no position to make any treaties.
  304. [4/19/2015 1:12:21 PM] Sir Scarfalot: ..........you're not in a position to promise that you won't attack after peace has been reached?
  305. [4/19/2015 1:12:25 PM] Princess Candyass: You'd have to discuss this later with Minty
  306. [4/19/2015 1:12:27 PM] Sir Scarfalot: well, fair enough
  307. [4/19/2015 1:12:32 PM] Sir Scarfalot: yeah
  308. [4/19/2015 1:12:48 PM] Sir Scarfalot: so, seems pretty much legit
  309. [4/19/2015 1:12:53 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:12 PM] Sir Scarfalot:
  310.  
  311. <<< peaceneutrality
  312. [4/19/2015 1:13:10 PM] Sir Scarfalot: ..........
  313. [4/19/2015 1:13:17 PM] Princess Candyass: we'll ignore this attack
  314. [4/19/2015 1:13:33 PM] Sir Scarfalot: it's reparations
  315. [4/19/2015 1:13:40 PM] Sir Scarfalot: it's a peace deal
  316. [4/19/2015 1:13:51 PM] Princess Candyass: if you decide to try out the attack button again, we won't be as nice as we've been now
  317. [4/19/2015 1:14:13 PM] Silver Wind: unless you try to attack yourself. then you get a funny message
  318. [4/19/2015 1:14:30 PM] Martyn Sturm: I think thats allowable under peace treaties anyways. Y'know, breaking it is bad.
  319. [4/19/2015 1:14:55 PM] Sir Scarfalot: this was a rogue incident. It shouldn't happen again, and I will personally send a masscomm to that effect
  320. [4/19/2015 1:15:05 PM] Silver Wind: someone wanna watch episode 4 with me?
  321. [4/19/2015 1:15:41 PM | Edited 1:15:49 PM] Princess Candyass: That Bluht will apoligize in Minty's thread doesn't have to be mentioned, does it? (well, I guess I just did)
  322. [4/19/2015 1:15:54 PM] Sir Scarfalot: of course it needs to be mentioned
  323. [4/19/2015 1:15:58 PM] Martyn Sturm: I will formally apoligize for the attack.
  324. [4/19/2015 1:16:03 PM] Sir Scarfalot: specifics are everything
  325. [4/19/2015 1:16:04 PM] Princess Candyass: [Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:15 PM] Silver Wind:
  326.  
  327. <<<  episode 4 that ep was weird
  328. [4/19/2015 1:16:29 PM] Sir Scarfalot: now... let's see what we can compound together to start the payments
  329. [4/19/2015 1:16:34 PM] Sir Scarfalot: actually, wait
  330. [4/19/2015 1:16:42 PM] Sir Scarfalot: we need to wait for Minty to sign off on it
  331. [4/19/2015 1:16:52 PM | Edited 1:16:58 PM] Sir Scarfalot: also TKoE
  332. [4/19/2015 1:17:45 PM] *** Silver Wind has changed the conversation topic to "Peace Council of Gallopfrey" ***
  333. [4/19/2015 1:23:03 PM] Martyn Sturm: Alright, I put up an apology reply; The picture is silly, but my apology is sincere.
  334. [4/19/2015 1:24:11 PM] Martyn Sturm: I figure, I have been way too aggressive here, I apoligize for my rash statements in this discussion as well.
  335. [4/19/2015 7:18:35 PM] Sir Scarfalot: alright
  336. [4/19/2015 7:18:50 PM] Sir Scarfalot: is anyone on
  337. [4/19/2015 7:18:58 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I have all the heroism~
  338. [4/19/2015 7:19:17 PM] Martyn Sturm: I think we need to wait on some sort of... firm confirmation.
  339. [4/19/2015 7:19:59 PM] Sir Scarfalot: hasn't Minty signed off on it already?
  340. [4/19/2015 7:22:06 PM] Martyn Sturm: Did he?
  341. [4/19/2015 7:22:35 PM] Sir Scarfalot: apparently it is still 'in deliberation'
  342. [4/19/2015 7:28:36 PM] Martyn Sturm: Well I publically apoligized, I hope that helps.
  343. [4/19/2015 7:28:51 PM] Martyn Sturm: (Y'know, as desired out of the arrangement)
  344. [4/19/2015 7:52:44 PM] TKoE: Well. That was an interesting read
  345. [4/19/2015 7:54:46 PM] TKoE: Sturm.  Y u do dis? :P
  346. [4/19/2015 7:58:01 PM] Martyn Sturm: Well...
  347. [4/19/2015 7:58:52 PM] Martyn Sturm: I was curious, and intrigued.
  348. [4/19/2015 7:59:13 PM | Edited 8:00:16 PM] Martyn Sturm: and then I clicked some button and bad stuff happened, people got mad and I was put on a bigger war trial than Garrosh.
  349. [4/19/2015 8:00:18 PM] TKoE: I remember my first war crimes tribunal. ^_^
  350. [4/19/2015 8:00:47 PM] Martyn Sturm: This is my second :D
  351. [4/19/2015 8:00:53 PM] TKoE: Good lad
  352. [4/19/2015 8:01:55 PM] Martyn Sturm: Yeah, DV was there on my first, I remember it like it was.... half a year ago.
  353. [4/19/2015 8:02:03 PM] Martyn Sturm: maybe more...
  354. [4/19/2015 8:09:23 PM] MintyRest: So I can recite the exact terms, what's the final agreement again?
  355. [4/19/2015 8:09:45 PM | Edited 8:12:05 PM] TKoE: Let's leave at least another half year before your next one. K? :P
  356. [4/19/2015 8:11:35 PM] Sir Scarfalot: the tentative agreement is as follows:
  357. [4/19/2015 8:12:05 PM] Sir Scarfalot: we pay:
  358. 600 Serenity
  359. 700 Malice
  360. 300 Heroism
  361. [4/19/2015 8:13:01 PM] Sir Scarfalot: is that fair?
  362. [4/19/2015 8:14:02 PM] Sir Scarfalot: Heroism is in stock, but the rest will take a bit of time
  363. [4/19/2015 8:14:44 PM] TKoE: Seems excessive IMO. But whatever
  364. [4/19/2015 8:15:08 PM] Sir Scarfalot: we calculated the damages; redirecting attacks is expensive
  365. [4/19/2015 8:15:23 PM] Sir Scarfalot: letting the attacks land would have been... infinitely cheaper, actually.
  366. [4/19/2015 8:15:34 PM] Sir Scarfalot: not like they were Brutality
  367. [4/19/2015 8:15:38 PM] TKoE: We're paying for their redirect?
  368. [4/19/2015 8:15:53 PM] Sir Scarfalot: well, either that or if they'd nullified
  369. [4/19/2015 8:19:32 PM] Martyn Sturm: TKoE brings up a fair point though, the redirect was an aggressive decision, while it can be condoned, its one of two choices, one of which would have been cheaper for them.
  370. [4/19/2015 8:20:18 PM] Martyn Sturm: I mean, for consideration, nothing more.
  371. [4/19/2015 8:21:30 PM] TKoE: I'm happy to pay for Sturm here being an idiot
  372. [4/19/2015 8:21:45 PM] TKoE: Not so happy to pay for whatever idiot redirected the attack
  373. [4/19/2015 8:23:21 PM] MintyRest: If there was no attack, there would have been no redirect.
  374. [4/19/2015 8:23:29 PM] TKoE: Not my problem
  375. [4/19/2015 8:23:59 PM] Sir Scarfalot: An attack gets redirected, cancelled, or nullified.
  376. [4/19/2015 8:24:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I'm personally on minty's side on this one, we are liable for the redirect cost.
  377. [4/19/2015 8:24:44 PM] MintyRest: Well that's fine.  You're not in charge Scarf.
  378. [4/19/2015 8:25:45 PM | Edited 8:26:13 PM] MintyRest: It's reasonable to say that parties are unhappy with this agreement as is.
  379. [4/19/2015 8:26:16 PM] TKoE: Any suggestions on ways to improve the parties happiness minty?
  380. [4/19/2015 8:27:22 PM] MintyRest: I don't know, I'm still talking to people to get an agreement for the previous resolution, and my representive is sleeping I hope.
  381. [4/19/2015 8:27:44 PM] MintyRest: A few hours to cool down would be for the best.
  382. [4/19/2015 8:28:12 PM] TKoE: Sounds acceptable. No action from either side till then then?
  383. [4/19/2015 8:28:28 PM] MintyRest: That I can agree upon.
  384. [4/19/2015 8:29:11 PM] TKoE: Let me know when you'll be ready. Preferably in advance if possible. Sorry but I'm stupidly busy lately
  385. [4/19/2015 8:29:37 PM] MintyRest: I know the feeling, best of luck, hope you have fun some time in between.
  386. [4/19/2015 8:30:05 PM] TKoE: I find places to squeeze it in :P
  387. [9:08:38 AM] MintyRest: Yeah, we can't go lower.
  388. It's worse with admin's statement really.
  389. [9:09:38 AM] Dark Vessel: Admin's an agent of chaos
  390. [9:09:41 AM] Dark Vessel: We all know this
  391. [9:09:45 AM] TyHachi _: And?
  392. [9:09:58 AM] Dark Vessel: He wants war
  393. [9:13:03 AM] TyHachi _: Even if he does we are still in the same position.
  394. [9:14:07 AM] Dark Vessel: Just saying, he'll be pushing us aganist each other
  395. [9:14:16 AM] Dark Vessel: at any rate
  396. [9:14:40 AM] Dark Vessel: Sounds good.
  397. [9:55:38 AM] *** MintyRest has left ***
  398. [9:59:06 AM] Dark Vessel: nfinity Cauldron is burdening your alliance with a resource.
  399. 12 AM Apr 21
  400. Infinity Cauldron is burdening your alliance with a resource.
  401. 12 AM Apr 21
  402. Infinity Cauldron is stealing a resource from your alliance.
  403. 12 PM Apr 21
  404. Infinity Cauldron is corrupting your alliance focus to Magic.
  405. 12 AM Apr 22
  406. [9:59:10 AM] Dark Vessel: Guys. What.
  407. [9:59:56 AM] *** TyHachi _ has left ***
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