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<DJ_O> btw this is final warning for trolling/attempting at starting a fight

<DJ_O> no further arguing. Next time is a 1 week ban. That stuff should be kept for other TI channels (that aren't exclisvely related to calcs)

<DJ_O> Maybe I should re-instate the zero tolerance policy

<DJ_O> anybody attempting at starting a fight or argument gets banned with no warning until we are no longer under attack by your group of trolls

<smmagic> Im not trying to argue with anyone

<DJ_O> not to advertise but may I recommend #cemetech and #tcpa ?

<DJ_O> That kind of behavior is more tolerated there

<DJ_O> plus

<DJ_O> you know you're on a 3rd party dev site

<DJ_O> so it's not really the place to argue against 3rd party dev. If Nelson sousa joined Omni to argue against calc games he would get banned

<DJ_O> same for anyone joining to argue that ndless might ruin TI's CAS sales

<smmagic> I was specifically saying I'm for third party dev, but piracy comes along with it, which I'm against

<DJ_O> yeah but you were implying that just because of piracy that even third party devs should be punished by sony

<smmagic> I wasnt really =\

<DJ_O> well the way it was worded sounded like so

<DJ_O> [04:06:31] <smmagic> By blocking all third party development, at least they can guarantee security for developers/plain gamers

<smmagic> doesnt mean im supporting it, but its more the general interest of people

<smmagic> out of the whole user base of home systems like the PS3, I'm sure at least 80 or more percent aren't interested in home/3rd party development

<smmagic> sure, ideally everyone would like to be pleased, but its always about the majority, same with voting for a political leader

<DJ_O> yeah I guess

<smmagic> If you think I'm trolling/starting a fight, so be it. I'll leave

<DJ_O> although i bet there are ppl interested in playuing 3rd party stuff, ppl interested in doing other stuff on their console

<smmagic> so be it, sony supported that, and TI used to

<smmagic> cost cutting measures and hacking can ruin these things

<DJ_O> cost cutting measures?

<smmagic> removal of PS2 emulation from PS3

<DJ_O> ah

<DJ_O> Also does the ps3 even natively supports indie games?

<smmagic> stopping development on otheros bootloader

<smmagic> it used to, kind of

<DJ_O> on the 360 there is a indie game store

<smmagic> running linux = running whatever you want as long as its compiled for ppc

<DJ_O> ok

<smmagic> but it was restricted graphics processing

<DJ_O> Personally i see no reason to hack my 360

<smmagic> hence geohot tried to hack it, and sony shut down everything

<DJ_O> i can buy some 80pts indie games on xbox live and stuff

<smmagic> the playstation store does have indie games

<DJ_O> ok

<DJ_O> anyway i still think developers who do nothing wrong and even try hard to stop piracy (by banning people sharing warez/torrent links on their respective sites) shouldn't be punished, but whatever

<DJ_O> I think anti-dev stuff are not things to be brought up in an actual dev channel

<smmagic> sure they shouldnt be punished

<DJ_O> it's like if

<smmagic> but thats how it is on these systems

<smmagic> you buy it, you accept tos and eula

<DJ_O> a HP guys joins Omni

<DJ_O> and starts saying how much better the HP is

<DJ_O> expect his total post rating to drop below 10

<DJ_O> does the eula states that the console should not be modified even for home/legitimate uses?

<smmagic> yep

<smmagic> since the whole hacking, its been tightened even more

<DJ_O> :S

<DJ_O> I see

<smmagic> no use of third party devices

<smmagic> of any sort

<smmagic> now thats unfair penalizing

<DJ_O> yeah

<DJ_O> oh well, there's always Wii and 360 then

<smmagic> I cant go to my electronics store, buy a PS2-PS3 memory card controller

<DJ_O> See how ppl are moving to Casio dev

<DJ_O> even if the prizm is so buggy

<DJ_O> they're fed up with TI

<smmagic> this is the stuff that stems off capitolism (im not against capitolism or any kind of system)

<smmagic> these are just the downfalls of it

<DJ_O> yeah I guess

<DJ_O> like music piracy

<smmagic> and once again it comes down to these majorities, its about the greater interest

<smmagic> and Im sick of going everywhere piracy is and people saying "its not like they were going to buy it" "its only blahblha percent of sales"

<smmagic> Capitolism is paying for what we want

<smmagic> it has tiers

<smmagic> thats how it works

<DJ_O> one thing that doesnt help tho is that some companies charges too much to people

<smmagic> exactly

<DJ_O> like TI

<smmagic> $210 for a nspire -.-

<DJ_O> hence xkcd 768

<DJ_O> Personally the PS3 should be $139.99

<DJ_O> When the ps2 came out, 3 years later it was already $140 here

<DJ_O> even when MS dropped the 360 to $200 for 2 years Sony still charged $300 for the lowest capacity model

<DJ_O> theyb even discontinued lower capacity models

<smmagic> you know how you support home development?

<DJ_O> to ensure nobody can get a PS3 under $300

<smmagic> make everything official run in kernel mode

<smmagic> and release keys for user mode

<smmagic> problem %90 solved

<DJ_O> hmm

<smmagic> there will always be piracy, but that can greatly limit it

<smmagic> and then using firmware updates, it can be stopped

<DJ_O> yeah

<smmagic> like I was saying before, the PSP has got it's signing keys exposed from inside the PS3

<smmagic> You can go to the store, buy a PSP

<smmagic> and just run homebrew on it

<smmagic> lots of homebrew

<DJ_O> yeah

<smmagic> try to run an ISO

<smmagic> good luck

<smmagic> never going to happen

<smmagic> thats exactly what I want to see

<DJ_O> personally one issue i got with homebrew and stuff are hackers

<DJ_O> there are hackers that plays together with modded games and that'sd fine

<smmagic> 3.55 keys exposed: good luck to CoD MW2 and BO

<DJ_O> but when one hacker joins a legit game

<smmagic> MW2 is wrecked, it relies on platform security

<smmagic> BO has some protection

<DJ_O> it ruins everyone's form

<DJ_O> fun*

<smmagic> <DJ_O> there are hackers that plays together with modded games and that'sd fine

<smmagic> leave that to xlink kai

<DJ_O> I don,t know what you mean

<smmagic> if they can get their games modded, they can lan tunnel

<smmagic> they should stay away from anything legit altogether

<DJ_O> what i mean is for example when Netham45 played Orange box modded

<DJ_O> they never went on legit stuff

<DJ_O> if they did they got banned anyway

<smmagic> well netham does play TF2 with hacks

<DJ_O> yeah

<smmagic> I dont like that

<smmagic> nor will I ever

<DJ_O> I don't think he plays vs ppl who dont hack

<DJ_O> aka cheating

<smmagic> He's joined my servers multiple times

<DJ_O> really?

<smmagic> yes

<DJ_O> well then ban him

<smmagic> well not mine

<smmagic> but ones I play on

<smmagic> which are public

<DJ_O> if he only plays where he will only meet ppl with the same hacks it's fine, but otherwise it's wrong

<smmagic> exactly

<DJ_O> personally I'm against cheating

<DJ_O> I had to deal with it at Starcraft Brood War a lot

<DJ_O> and some ppl use some hacks at SC2

<DJ_O> they make games lag on purpose

<DJ_O> to piss off other team players, so they either lose concentration or leave

<DJ_O> anyweay I believe it's best to avoid starting debates in #omnimaga

<smmagic> well alright then

<DJ_O> as I repeated several times lately since you or someone else brought about 12 new trolls in the channel to put it under attack (sailerboy, lemmy, etc) (Conspiracy to tear the community apart?), Omni is meant to be free of hostilty

<smmagic> why would I bring trolls in

<DJ_O> and if netham45 logs were not bugged

<DJ_O> you would see how such debates can hurt the community

<DJ_O> there are ppl getting pissed off and they could leave if it happens too often

<DJ_O> and then the site activity drops

<DJ_O> well

<DJ_O> sometimes i get worried someone has planned something

<DJ_O> since mid feb

<DJ_O> there is a giant upsurge in attempts at starting arguments in the chan

<DJ_O> a lot are from newer members

<DJ_O> and sometimes

<DJ_O> i wonder if it's not one of our less active user that plotted something

<DJ_O> they know what happened in 2008

<DJ_O> so they might be trying to make me so mad that I'll delete Omni again

<DJ_O> That was Omnimaga in Early 2008: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080315005109/http://omnimaga.unitedti.org/notice/index.html

<DJ_O> If I notice that most new people are starting to no longer give a shit about the rules and Omni goals

<DJ_O> I can easily pull the plug

<DJ_O> or simply disable registrations completely and let the site dies until hosting runs out

<DJ_O> I'll save $334 a year and buy myself a PS3

<DJ_O> I can also delete my entuire ticalc.org profile like I did in 2008 in response to lack of respect from other community members despite everything I did for them

<DJ_O> I do not see why I would bother devoting 10 years of my life into something that no one wants to respect

<DJ_O> and not respect me for the work I put in the community

<DJ_O> If that shit happens too often the page I just linked could very well replace the current Omnimaga site

<smmagic> fair enough

<DJ_O> of course you might not care if Omni goes down forever and the TI community dies and many others might not either. The problem, though, is that i sometimes worry there are people who absolutely want it gone

<smmagic> people will always want something gone

<smmagic> its a matter of dealing with it

<DJ_O> so to do so, they simply joined Omni to troll enough

<DJ_O> yea

<DJ_O> so i ask the legitimate users to stop starting fights

<smmagic> and tbh I'm hurt you accused me of coming here to troll and bringing other trolls

<DJ_O> well, it could be you or someone else

<DJ_O> but sometimes I get worried.

<DJ_O> your behavior didnt help

<DJ_O> it could be a coincidence, and I'm sorry if it is

<DJ_O> but it's hard to trust people

<smmagic> if you still think it is I can leave

<smmagic> its no issue

<DJ_O> all I ask is that you be careful

<DJ_O> because now I think I have no choice. I'll have to ban more often

<DJ_O> else the chan will die

<DJ_O> everyday drama occurs

<DJ_O> it used to be fine until recently

<DJ_O> also one thing i despise are people who think if it's easy for them to deal with something, it's as easy for everyone automatically

<DJ_O> that's narrow minded

<smmagic> well ok then

<DJ_O> same for the people that shift blames on the other person in response to a warning

<smmagic> I'll stop comng to irc

<DJ_O> such as [04:54:02] <smmagic> and tbh I'm hurt you accused me of coming here to troll and bringing other trolls

<DJ_O> Well

<DJ_O> another solution would be to accept sensitive people

<DJ_O> and be careful

<smmagic> well not really

<DJ_O> you did the latter for a while anyway

<smmagic> if im causing so much trouble its the logical choice

<DJ_O> for a long while you never stirred up trouble

<DJ_O> it only started 2 weeks ago

<smmagic> I dont think I've been stirring up trouble

<DJ_O> and you're not alone

<smmagic> but if thats what you think, so be it

<DJ_O> which is why I worry someone's behind this

<DJ_O> Ok, well,

<DJ_O> starting arguments stirs up trouble

<smmagic> its personal opinions

<DJ_O> so the solution is to be careful

<smmagic> and they're discussions, not arguments

<DJ_O> yeah but they dont have their place on Omni

<smmagic> if my actions cause arguments to start

<smmagic> then I'll leave

<smmagic> which I have

<DJ_O> it's like Nelson sousa joining Omni

<DJ_O> and starting badmouthing Ndless for annoying teachers

<DJ_O> well fine then. However I must warn you

<DJ_O> if everytime IRL or online, you get told to improve on something or stop something

<DJ_O> you just leave instead of trying to change something

<smmagic> I dont, its just here

<DJ_O> you're never gonna get anywhere

<smmagic> in other places, I'm trusted, I'm staff

<smmagic> people repsect me instead of accusing me of trying to bring down a community like  aterrorist

<DJ_O> ...

<smmagic> so there it is, I'll stay out of your way from now on

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<DJ_O> TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT

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<DJ_O> SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH

<DJ_O> FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING

<DJ_O> WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF

<DJ_O> DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO

<DJ_O> DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING

<DJ_O> SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!!

<DJ_O> STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE

<DJ_O> TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT

<smmagic> im not trying to make myself look clean

<smmagic> just let it go, I've left

<smmagic> everyone wins

<DJ_O> STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE

<DJ_O> TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT

<DJ_O> ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING

<DJ_O> SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH

<DJ_O> FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING

<DJ_O> WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF

<DJ_O> DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO

<DJ_O> STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE

<DJ_O> TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT

<DJ_O> ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING

<DJ_O> SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH

<DJ_O> FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING

<DJ_O> WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF

<DJ_O> DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO

<DJ_O> DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING

<DJ_O> SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!!

<DJ_O> STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE

<DJ_O> TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT

<DJ_O> ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING

<DJ_O> SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH

<DJ_O> FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING

<DJ_O> WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!! STOP FUCKING ACCUSING ME OF ONLY BEING THE WRONG PERSON AND SHIFTING BLAMES ON ME TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEAN GODDAMNIT!!! I'M FUCKING SICK TO DEATH OF

<DJ_O> DEALING WITH FUCKING SHIT ALL THE TIME!!!

<DJ_O> you are a selfish asshole

<smmagic> if you want to pick at people

<smmagic> I think you're an oversensitive  jerk

<smmagic> paranoid too

<DJ_O> maybe I have reasons to be paranoid

<DJ_O> after all the shit I went through

<DJ_O> you think you are perfect and never do anything wrong

<smmagic> no I dont

<DJ_O> when you get called out on something

<smmagic> the fact is that you think you're the only one with problems

<DJ_O> you try to look clean by telling the other person he did wrong stuff

<DJ_O> No

<smmagic> and you're projecting this shit onto other people

<DJ_O> No

<DJ_O> No and no

<smmagic> Ive seen you say it before

<smmagic> "oh sorry I took that the wrong way, my grandmother used to say one thing and then say another"

<DJ_O> er

<DJ_O> when is that from

<smmagic> whoever was developing some OS

<smmagic> and seriously, let it go

<DJ_O> I forgot

<smmagic> Im gone, Im no problem anymore

<DJ_O> no, i want you to apologise for always shifting blames on me

<DJ_O> everytime you get called out

<smmagic> its because Im getting called out for nothing

<DJ_O> asnd I'll apologise to you for jumping to conclusions

<DJ_O> you get called out for breaking omni rules

<smmagic> having a logical discussion isnt grounds for breaking rules

<DJ_O> [03:53:22] <smmagic> sony did nothing wrong is against omni rules

<smmagic> as soon as I say one thing that is "against the norm" you take it as trolling

<DJ_O> it's a dev channel

<DJ_O> you dont bring up anti dev arguments in the chan

<DJ_O> likewise with ti vs casio. You dont start saying ti sucks on a ti site

<DJ_O> that's inevitable a fight could occur

<DJ_O> and here's the issue:

<DJ_O> i saw many other sites in the TI community

<DJ_O> that died because of fight starting and causing drama

<DJ_O> and moderators doing nothing

<DJ_O> and there were people leaving because of it

<DJ_O> so i created omni

<DJ_O> for the ppl who are tired of it

<DJ_O> and in attempt to save the community

<smmagic> fair enough, but Im not trolling

<smmagic> im starting discussion

<DJ_O> ok

<smmagic> ive never attacked anyone

<DJ_O> well asI said that kind of discussion was prone to start a fight with 3rd party devs

<smmagic> I consider other people's points

<smmagic> and respond with my own

<smmagic> I increase my knowledge if I have opinions and create conclusions

<smmagic> having one big mindset of OPEN ALL SYSTEMS, NO MATTER WHAT

<smmagic> is negative towards evolution of knowledge

<DJ_O> it is not trolling, but still potential risks of fight starting. ALso not to nitpick but some stuff you said was worded in a way that sounds like you did not take ppl opinions into account

<smmagic> a good community should be able to accept this stuff and evolve

<DJ_O> at least, from my limited american english standard

<DJ_O> are you saying Omni is a bad community?

<smmagic> no im saying omni could improve

<DJ_O> we are less tolerant towards fights

<DJ_O> er

<DJ_O> such discussions

<DJ_O> because it occured too much lately

<DJ_O> and if Omni becomes a drama fest

<DJ_O> it's gonna lose its reputation of peaceful site

<smmagic> and its going to gain a reputation of a one sided thought

<DJ_O> or maybe that stuff should be kept for the forums

<DJ_O> at least on forums ppl think before they type

<DJ_O> more, i mean

<DJ_O> and editing posts is possible

<DJ_O> Omni always worked how it is

<DJ_O> so idk why you want me to allow ppl to say everything they want at the risk of losing members like UTI did

<smmagic> Im not saying say anything

<smmagic> Im saying consider other people's points

<smmagic> instead of immediately calling it evil

<DJ_O> I'm not ditching ppl point

<DJ_O> anyway your statements earlier sounded like you wanted to impose your views on us

<DJ_O> you're not american-english-native, tho, so that I could maybe understand

<smmagic> I'm australia

<smmagic> australian

<DJ_O> and I'm sorry if it sounds like I jump to conclusions

<smmagic> I speak English

<DJ_O> yeah

<DJ_O> but english can differ from a place to another

<DJ_O> like french

<DJ_O> "J'ai la flemme" <- No friggin clue what that means

<smmagic> I'm too lazy?

<DJ_O> Idk

<DJ_O> and I speak french. Each area just got their own way of speaking. I bet a lot of americans are gonna ask the newer users "what does I reckon" means? eventually

<DJ_O> "i reckon"

<DJ_O> *

<DJ_O> anyway there are things on Omni I tend to not like when it happens

<DJ_O> like religion debates

<DJ_O> i could very well answer your wish and be more open to any discussions

<DJ_O> but then it might costs us the community activity in long terms

<DJ_O> so obviously we're gonna tell ppl to stop if it risks going too far

<DJ_O> Omni worked like that so far

<DJ_O> I don't know why ppl suddently want it to change

<DJ_O> when I know what I've been doing for 8 years

<smmagic> times change, people change

<smmagic> 8 years is almost a decade, look at everything that has happened

<smmagic> you either adapt or die

<smmagic> its evolution

<smmagic> and I've really got nothing else to say now

<smmagic> this can go on forever